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I've noticed that right wing chuds on various online platforms are immediately dogpiling on this event to justify his murder.
I didn't know that kicking taillights was a capital offense.
They'll try and in a way I'm glad because they're showing their hand, conservatives have gone completely insane and will justify anything they're told to.
Normal people understand kicking a taillight a week prior doesn't justify the execution.
yep and unlike in the good old day, we have modern video and audio, any modern atrocity is now recorded for future peoples to remembered and reviewed by all immediately all over the world.
Facebook is flooded with deflection for a victim of an illegal who already got justice. They try to say don't go to dangerous places if you don't want trouble. Motherfucker you voted for this. You made it dangerous. Fuck off with your shit bad faith goal posts and whataboutisms.
Land of the free, but don't go over there the government may kill you.
Also, try not to be brown, or sound like a foreigner. Otherwise, we can do a Kavanaugh stop and search you for no other reason
And a capital offense needing neither judge nor jury.
ICE is the one who gets to decide, on the spot, if you deserve to die or be imprisoned, or maced, etc.
"... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
I think if it’s relevant, it might prove they actually hunted him down to get revenge
Premeditated assassination, then?
Quite unlikely, I think. At least in the sense that they lured him into the scene to help someone and then murder him. As that would be quite a bit more elaborate.
Since all the ICE offenders enjoy unjustifiable anonymity by the administration, it's not easy to see if any of the thugs from those two events were the same. As the second possibility would be that when he came to help, someone recognized him, and being the man-children they are, then shot him. Either this, or they simply did loser thug things in the spur of the moment.
Premeditation in the legal sense does not require lengthy planning, entrapment, etc. Only that the intent occurs prior to the murder, with time for a "moment of reflection". These guys should get the fucking chair.
Public hanging.
My mind went there too, then I remembered the video from the pink scarf lady and feel like there’s no way they figured out/confirmed who he was before tackling him.
I figure it’s much more likely that it was a matter of odds: by all accounts, Alex was a staunch anti-ICE protester and was out protesting frequently, and with each instance of attendance the odds increased towards a successive altercation with agents. This does not mean he deserved to be harmed and eventually killed.
Edit: sounds like it’s likely the agents actually did know who Alex was, due to video evidence showing another altercation with him minutes before they tackled and killed him.
Stop trying to get me to like him more. Geez
It's like when dipshit right wingers say George Floyd deserved to be suffocated to death by a cop because he had prior offenses.
Doesn't matter.
Having prior offenses doesn't mean you're sentenced to death.
WE ALL SAW THE VIDEOS FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES.
He tries to help a woman up. His gun is holstered. He's jumped by multiple ICE agents and tackled to the ground. One of them removes the gun from his holster and immediately afterward they execute him while disarmed and on his knees.
That's all that matters. Anyone arguing that anything that happened on a previous day is relevant is simply making excuses for the government summarily executing citizens.
Anyone arguing that anything that happened on a previous day is relevant
This could make it premeditated
Ice sees gun, knows they could push a future altercation
Imagine if Pretti didn't have a gun. Ice tackles unarmed guy and shoots him? Other than AI unbelievers it would be a hard sell.
Here's the thing, because ice isn't actually law enforcement, they just wanted to get out of the car and rough him up, there's no paper trail here. He wasn't detained, ticketed, whatever. A lot of people are claiming it's AI and because ICE's goal isn't law and order, it's running around like Eric Carmen screaming "respect my authority" its just that much more difficult to refute claims like that. If anything it makes the case for 1st degree murder if ice and Pretti had a history.
The very best way we can respond to this "SHOCKING NEW VIDEO" is to ignore it.
It means nothing, it has nothing to do with anything, and the arguments the right is using to try to connect it to the man's murder are so weak that anyone spouting off about it can't withstand even the weakest pushback. So yeah, the Tim Pools and the other smooth-brained losers who run hate channels on youtube are going to play it over and over but it's just a distraction from the fact that their main argument hinges on contradicting their own values. It's a convenient distraction but it's not really moving anyone outside of those pocket realms of mindless cults of personality.
If anything it would show how goddamn petty they are. Executed on the street for kicking a tail light? Seriously?
Fascists believe the government has the right to execute citizens for ANY infraction.
J-walk? Execution.
Park in a red zone? Execution.
But not if they're the ones doing it. Obviously.
So his murder was premeditated. Got it.
ICE is going into neighborhoods spreading terror and they have the gall to call us terrorists.
And yet Trump is still alive.
Here's what I saw: He had an altercation, they roughed him up, and let him go. He was armed the entire time. If he intended to kill ICE Apes, why didn't he do it? This seems to throw cold water on their allegation that he showed up to the later incident ready for a massacre.
Secondly, it seems to indicate a change in orders between the two encounters. They let him go after the first time, even though he had a gun, but they shot him the next time, probably because their orders had changed to confront vehicle blockers and armed protesters, and they were ordered to shoot them, make an example, and send a message.
And no matter what he did previously, none of it justifies literally executing him in the street by a firing squad.
*kidnapping bandits