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A masked guy breaks down your door w/o an Article III warrant absent exigent circumstances? Yeah, I'd agree. Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 75 points 2 days ago (10 children)

The problem is, if you fire at a kidnapper who breaks down your door they will call back up and they aren’t going to stop until you’re dead.

Fuck ICE.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If they're kicking down my door, I'm fucked either way. Might as well try to take a few with me and make them more hesitant with the next house.

[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago

When they kick down your front door, how you gonna come? With the hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun. When the law breaks in, how you gonna go, shot down on the pavement or waiting in death row? You can crush us, you can bruise us But you'll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton The money feels good And your life you like it well But surely your time will come As in Heaven as in Hell You see, he feels like Ivan Born under the Brixton sun His game is called survivin' At the end of the harder they come You know it means no mercy They caught him with a gun No need for the Black Maria Goodbye to the Brixton sun You can crush us, you can bruise us But you'll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun You can crush us, you can bruise us And even shoot us But oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Shot down on the pavement Waiting in death row His game was survivin' As in Heaven as in Hell You can crush us, you can bruise us But you'll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton

They believe they can crush us with this overwhelming brutality. But Nope. We will be like the Irish... never giving up and blowing those mfers up strategically and unendingly. We will not submit.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Monopoly on Violence. The state has it, until the people reassert it collectively.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's really the crux of the issue. The law doesn't matter when they're going to kill you before you see the inside of a courtroom

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

If a person is going to kill you no matter what, what do you gain by not killing them?

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Die defending against fascists vs live to see climate change destroy civilization.

So many decisions.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Don't let them choose the battlefield. In your home you should prioritize escaping above all else.

Anyone who wants to fight back effectively will HAVE to take the fight to them.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right now, they're not in any real danger, they're proudboys cosplaying getting others killed. They'll lose their taste for it if people start defending themselves, then it'll go to the army. We'll have to see where that rubber meats the road.

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So the more you kill the better you K/D ratio becomes :)

Trump's plan coming to fruition. ICE agent shot, declare martial law, cancel elections.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Sounds like a problem solved with stockpiling more ammo.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

and community collaboration

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

This one is, by far, the most important.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

And learning how to use it

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Fine. There’s more of us than there is of them. They will run out of people before we will.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 100 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.

Federal prosecutors are having a real tough time getting juries to convict, and sometimes even indict, citizens accused of assaulting ICE and CBP agents. They have 30 cases against Chicago residents, and so far they're 0 for 15. They couldn't get a felony indictment for the sandwich-throwing guy in DC, so they went for a misdemeanor; he was aquitted despite clearly having done it. It is not at all clear to me that the feds could get a conviction for killing someone during what is, legally, a home invasion.

(This is not an incitement of violence towards any federal agents, nor am I advocating for anyone to break any state or federal laws. To any FBI agents reading this, I think you're very smart and handsome.)

[–] pinesolcario@lemy.lol 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m willing to bet large this DOJ has lost more cases than any other administration previously. It’s hilarious.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They had this grand plan to weaponize the DOJ, but no one stopped to ask, "wait, what if everyone on the jury fucking hates us?"

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is exactly why juries exist. Jury nullification isn't a loophole or a trick. It's a built-in defense against unjust laws and corrupted executive and judicial officials.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't think any of the cases have been jury nullification, they keep bringing unreasonable charges and the jury doesn't buy it.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That's jury nullification. The sandwich guy is a perfect example.

By the letter of the law, he did commit assault. Nobody denies what he did, but the jury decided it was unreasonable.

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[–] sik0fewl@piefed.ca 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not disagreeing with you, but a misdemeanour for throwing a sandwich at someone is a joke.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

True, but then again, there was that tow truck driver in LA who towed that ICE car, with flashing police lights, in the middle of a stop. I can't imagine someone getting away with that if it had been a normal LAPD stop.

[–] IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip 119 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This is the exact response that should have been proclaimed 8 months ago. Fuck this stupid goddamn fucking country full of sister-fuckers.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The only problem I see, when the MAGA fucknut ICE goons assault a MAGA fucknut minority home owner, are the stray bullets zipping all over place. Yep, it's going to be a Cluster Fuck.

[–] Xella@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Ngl I'm excited to see this footage

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 82 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Where have all the "stand yer ground" people been at?

[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 89 points 3 days ago (4 children)

.... Dude sorry to break it to you, but they work for ICE

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Supporting ICE ready to shoot Americans for fighting back against them.

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[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (4 children)

These cowards come in heavily armed a dozen at once. Even if you manage to shoot one, you're as good as dead when the others start firing back.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If things continue the way they've been going, you'll be dead either way.

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[–] obvs@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Sure.

Except if everyone they're doing this to did the same thing, that would be one less coward every time there was one less victim.

And the country would run out of cowards before it ran out of victims.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 45 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The jury would love this kinda case tho. Easy not guilty.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Maybe, assuming you make it out of the encounter alive which seems pretty unlikely. In the pictures and videos of these raids there's usually at least 6 agents involved. If you drop one or two I don't think the other four would let you leave or peacefully surrender. If you got all six you might be able to leave or wait for the local PD and turn yourself in to them but all of that sounds pretty unbelievable to me.

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[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I’m good with this

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Gotta learn how to make bombs cause shooting one won't be enough.

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[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago
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