If they don’t respect the 4th amendment they get the second amendment 
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Laws only work if there is a penalty for breaking them. Example: it is against the law not to release the Epstien files ... but what is the penalty for breaking that law? Nothing was written in. The same for ICE, no one is checking them and they are staying out of Castle Law states.
It's against the Constitution for insurrectionists to hold federal office. Yet here we are.
Laws only work one way now.
Ah, the classic, "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." -Francis M. Wilhoit
Wow look at those big bois. I bet they go home, scream at their kids, then beat their wife and dog.
Kick the wife and fuck the dog.
This is very satisfying in a schadenfreude kind of way. I have been lectured to by Americans and those influenced by them for decades about the importance of their constitutional freedoms to shoot children and spread hate speech.
Some liberal western democracies don't even have a codified constitution and still have better human rights and fairer government than the USA. Without a well functioning representative democracy with preferential or proportional voting, concentrating enormous executive power in a single tyrant without strong protections was always obviously exploitable.
I think a lot of them are still living in denial and think the good guys are going to come in and defend the constitution at the last minute. Hope they are right. It is one hell of a gamble for them and the rest of us.
Laws are only laws when they're enforced. After decades of training law enforcement to hate and fear the average citizen, they don't care to enforce laws that exist to protect those citizens.
And don't tell me it's always been that way. It's a matter of degrees and there's been a effort for decades to normalize police violence. It was bad, but it's been engineered to be worse.
You guys haven't really had rights for a while, by the sounds of it.
Naw but we got Mountain Dew buckets, cheeseburgers, and AR-15s in high school! Wooohooo!!! Thank Jesus I'm not a pinko Commie!!!
Black people been saying. everyone else just refuses to listen
(except for native americans, they been saying it the longest, they just don't have the presence of messaging because they've been pushed so far into the margins)
The main question is how legal would it be to shoot at masked armed gang breaking into your home to kidnap you and your family without any judicial warrant.
Because that is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for
"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"
I mean FFS, at this point ICE might kill you just for fun.
Immigration proceedings aren't before a full court with a jury. It's an administrative proceeding. So, there isn't even the 12.
I'm pretty sure the trial involving the self defense against armed masked gangs would not be an immigration court.
The asswipes have yet to apply their SS and NKVD home invasions in a Stand Your Ground Oblast.
Minnesota supports castle doctrine, or so I've read.
The Constitution also gives Congress the right to a constitutional convention. This means that it can be possible for the US to become socialist by way of constitutional reform. Seriously!
It isn't legal, and the Constitution expliclty forbids this.
Welcome to fascism, did you think for some reason ... words written on paper would... restrain them or matter in anyway?
They are fascists.
Their whole thing is ... truth doesn't exist, language is a weapon, not a means of reaching a mutual understanding.
They only understand one thing, and that is violent force, and the physical and societal logistics that make it possible.
If your game plan for resisting fascists is 'but that's illegal!', you've already lost.
It's an ideology that has proven to resort to violence and genocide rather than admit fault, let alone wrongdoing.
Wow. ELI5 on Lemmy is way different from ELI5 on Reddit.
Way better imo
You're forgetting the "Nobody is going to stop me" exemption. The constitution is just a piece of paper if nobody is willing to defend it.
Oh you can tell them to piss off. But they have more guns than you do.
The law only exists so far as it is enforced. Who will enforce the law against the state? Political power grows out the barrel of a gun.
The law is only the law insofar as it is enforcible.
The constitution give you a right to organize 30 of your neighbors, armed with guns, and chase them out of your neighborhood.
You also have the right to put buckshot into the face of anyone who illegally breaks into your home.
Its not, republicans stacked the courts so they can violate the law and republicans in congress are cheering them on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
We have ceded civil liberties when within 100 miles of a boarder, this happened decades ago and most politicians were ok with it because it didn't make the news.. just a quiet tool in the toolbox....
Well, the tool is now being used
Don't airports count as borders as well?
I thought that it was specifically international airports. I heard they were doing ICE raids in the town outside of Pittsburgh International Airport (Robinson, PA). I haven't seen any ICE personally in PGH but I've hear coworkers and friends talk about it.
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True but this current development is even worse, as you may see that Minneapolis isn't in that zone.
Issue is, this isn't boarder patrol, this is immigration control. But international airports count as the 100 miles radius as well. And things like inland ports. So this map is incorrect on enforcement for this as well.
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The world champions of mass shootings and gun hoarding in case of a corrupt government: whatever can we do? Is this legal?
We don't call 911 around here eagle sounds intensifies
If someone was in the process of actively murdering me, I would think it safe to assume they are aware that murder is illegal. If I tell them it's illegal, they're probably more likely to double down and make sure I'm dead so that I can't be a witness.
It isn’t legal. And they haven’t changed the law. It’s just now their policy to ignore the law.
Right now they’re trying to “shock and awe” everyone into submission and compliance before the law catches up with them.
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it is very much unconstitutional and definitely illegal. but you would need a functioning congress and a supreme court to rule on it or whatever
It doesn’t matter whether it’s illegal. If you don’t have rule of law, which is the reality that MAGA has us living in, then all that matters is if you can get away with it. If you can’t or won’t be held to account, then there is no law
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