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[–] pipi1234@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Haha, greatest country in the world my arse!

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

There are a lot of reason why we're not, but excessive car use is one of the lesser reasons!

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Four out of the top nine counties are in NYC. Once again a common W for Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx (not you Staten Island, you suck)

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Staten Island doesn't have the subway infrastructure that other boroughs have. The one line it does have does have relatively high usage. Maybe it's wise to expand it?

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Im not saying Staten Island cant be good, there simply isn't the political will to improve anything. If their government and people got the heads out of the sand they would notice that there is demand for more rail infrastructure. Kinda like how there's significant amounts of unmet rail demand in Queens and Brooklyn (hopefully the IBX helps the issue)

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Staten’s a bunch of republicans. They aren’t gonna pay for anything that lets the rabble in.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Viridis always brings peace to the soul

[–] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Are there maps like this for other part of the world? I'd imagine Europe has a much lower rate of car commuting.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 11 points 10 hours ago

In comparison to the US yeah probably but still overall pretty high would be my assumption.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Conclusion: the Gulf Coast makes Americans crave cars.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

The lack of sufficient population density to support public transit makes Americans crave cars. Population density is low because the US has the space, and the areas that are dense are stupidly expensive.

I'd love to take a bus or light rail to work, but instead I end up having a saily commuteof over 100 miles round trip. In the city where I work, a 600sft studio apartment would cost an extra 30 grand a year versus my 3 bed, 2 bath place 50-ish miles away.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 6 points 10 hours ago

A living nightmare

[–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 52 points 16 hours ago (10 children)

What’s going on in that one area in Montana?

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Those two counties are Petroleum County, with a population of about 500, and Garfield County with a population of about 1,100. Both counties have a single town with about a quarter of the population.

This means a majority of the population live in the country, and likely work the lands they live on. This means no commute to work, which is what was measured.

This is a flaw in the methodology. Rurual Montana is not a bastion of urban planning. It is a mistake to look at travel to work exclusively. People need to travel to many destinations. And those living in those two counties probably use cars for everything else.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldnt say it is a flaw, really. The data in general is a good approximation of auto dependence. And any researcher who isn't an idiot will see the same thing you did and simply discard the data in these counties as obvious outliers. Sure, we can imagine a more accurate metric for measuring auto dependency for the purposes of creating a very nice map for public consumption. But it your purpose is simply to conduct some statistical analysis, I don't think this dataset is bad - or at least not a bad start.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

It's only bad if misinterpreted.

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 6 points 10 hours ago

What the hell, Garfield county is about the quarter size of my country (the Netherlands, but only has 0,007% of the population. That's mind boggling to me

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[–] IndridCold@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 hours ago

What’s going on in that one area in Montana?

Nothing.

I drove though there once. Hours of seeing nothing but road.

[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 50 points 16 hours ago

I'm wondering that too. Just a guess, low population density with lots of farmers 'working from home' since they live on their farm.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 27 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

They don''t go to work. Farmers don't travel for work but it's likely low survey response. Very low population density there(1-10/mi)

You aren't getting anywhere in Montana without a car

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I mean that's not really true. Most of the larger towns do have a bus system.

[–] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The only town I saw in that area in my 5 second search is Jordan, with a population of ~~357~~ 356.

Edit: corrected population, my bad

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

So the only town you saw in the United States in a 5-second search with a bus system is some random town named Jordan with 356 people? I am so confused by your comment I think you meant to reply to somebody else but I can guarantee there's more than that one town in the United States with a much higher population base that have bus trains and even large transit systems. The area that I live in has a massive transit system the spans the size of many states.

And if you think the largest town in Montana is a town called Jordan. You did a really really bad surge and you need a new search engine. Billings, Missoula, Great falls,  Bozeman, Helena, etc all have large population bases and all have bus transit systems. There are several others that also have a transit systems and are larger than that.

[–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think they meant towns within the area highlighted in the initial image. Which would make sense, 'cause Jordan is in that area, is probably the largest incorporated community in that area, and definitely doesn't have a bus system.

(Also, I know you meant Great Falls and not Great Colt, but it's a funny typo)

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

Yea great falls. He didn't say that are, he said, you aren't getting anywhere in Montana without a car, so yea.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

low population density means high variance in stats.

always expect the highest and lowest stats to come from those areas.

But it’s probably farmers who live on their farm or something.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 16 hours ago

Horses, atvs.

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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I've lived in some of the counties in the south under 100% reliance and let me assure you outside of the major cities many are only under 100% due to crippling poverty. I can't tell you how many people I've know in my life thay have had to walk 2 hrs one way to a shitty low paying job at a gas station or dollar general.

[–] basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Do farmers depend on cars to get to work?

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

No. Because farmers are quite wealthy. We've had more than a century of farm consolidation. Farming is only profitable at a large scale. Only the wealthy can afford to be farmers.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago

Truthfully there aren't that many people whose full time job is just "farmer". But those that are usually all have cars anyway.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 27 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (12 children)

What is supposed to be surprising about this?

Everywhere I have lived, and everyone I have ever met had to take a car.

There are like maybe 15 places in the US with a functioning public transportation system.

Jobs are downtown but nobody make enough money to live downtown. Last time I tried it would have been > 75% my wages in rent only just to live in shit hole. I literally would not be able to feed myself.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

The map actually does a good job of highlighting how population dense places exist without a lot of cars per person. New York and San Francisco are both shown and have green or yellow patches. Mass transit works so damn good but, like election maps, the actual region highlighted is empty space with a few people all doing the same things.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I mean there are a lot of people that do go without cars. I went without a car for 8 years because I lived on a bus line and I worked on a bus or a train line depending on how far I had to go. The commute sucked sometimes was over 2 hours. There are times where I had to be on the bus at 4:30 in the morning to be to work at 6:30. And when you go 4 to 5 hours a day just commuting a car is very nice because that same drive was maybe 45 minutes between morning and afternoon. That gives you so much more time to do everything else. Having a functioning system doesn't mean much when you have to go so far.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I am not sure what your point is.

So you went without a car and spent 2 entire months of your year commuting in hours.

And that's...?

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

My point is if you're spending that much time commuting it's not really efficient nor does it work for most people's lives. Which is why most people opt to drive their car to and from work and pretty much anywhere else. I don't know what you're asking and I don't know how to explain that better than that to you. I thought it was pretty evident with making a statement that oftentimes commuting over mass transit is not the best option. No matter how efficient or get the bus system or chain system is. Hell the bus system in my area comes every 15 minutes and the train is usually every 5 to 10 minutes even on weekends. We have a large commuter train that comes anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 minutes depending on the time of day and whether or not it's a weekend. But when you're having to travel so many miles it's still takes time no matter what.

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[–] Toto@lemmy.world 28 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Swear to god, every heat map of the US highlights how much of a shit hole the Mississippi delta must be.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is one of the reasons why I only want to live in the NYC area of the US. Just take the train or bus, don't worry about it.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago

America is essentially a third world country with just a handful of developed metropolitan areas

And those few developed areas havnt meaningfully evolved or improved in decades and especially compared to the infrastructure developments seen in asia or Europe

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