We need to dismantle imperialism, not shame people for not voting for one of the parties that upholds imperialism and capitalism.
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Would this had happened if Kamala Harris were president?
Harris a genocide enjoyer. It is absurd to distance her from the illegal abuses inherent to US imperialism.
It's a yes or no question.
The question is speculative.
A "yes" or "no" answer both would be meaningless.
Events naturally would not have developed identically, but in one form or another, abuses of imperialism would continue.
No, it is not spectulative.
The answer which you're refusing to admit to is "NO."
This conversation is a good metaphor for why you're never going to dismantle imperialism and destroy capitalism.
You don't understand the difference between fact and speculation, and you only care about abuses not under the rule of your preferred party.
No, you're being disengenious by claiming there was any chance Kamala Harris would've invaded Venezuela when you know in real life that wouldn't have happened. You're doing this becuase you care more about what some dead people wrote in a book 140 years ago than the damage fascists are doing to people's lives.
But whatever, I have zero desire to argue. You don't want to vote? Then don't. Just don't give me shit when I did the one activity that actually could've stopped this maddness from happening.
I never mentioned any books.
Please stop ranting nonsense.
No one knows exactly what would have happened if the election results had been different, but everyone thoughtful and humane realizes serious abuses still would have been perpetrated.
I never mentioned any books. Please stop ranting nonsense.
I'm pretty sure you understood my reference, but whatever.
No one knows exactly what would have happened if the election results had been different, but everyone thoughtful and humane realizes serious abuses still would have been perpetrated
But THIS SERIOUS ABUSE would not have been perpetrated. I know it, you know it, but you're pretending not to. If I had to guess why, it's becuase you don't want to admit the left's attempt to punish the Democrats by not voting for them in 2020 has backfired beyond anyone's worst nightmares.
Like I said, don't vote if you don't want to, no one can force you to. But maybe stop lying to yourself about the ineffetiveness of your beliefs and your movement, then you won't have to lie to me so much.
I'm pretty sure you understood my reference, but whatever
I think you are imagining things.
But THIS SERIOUS ABUSE would not have been perpetrated.
I don't care. I care about all abuse. Every serious person understands that the causes of the myriad of abuses are larger than Trump.
Trump is a symptom, not the underlying malady.
We need to confront the malady, imperialism and capitalism.
I don’t care. I care about all abuse. Every serious person understands that the causes of the myriad of abuses are larger than Trump.
Ah ok. So I guess just fuck Venezuela then, right? I mean invading the country and kidnapping the president, that's just a symptom.
Since you don't believe in participating in the poltical process, then please explain to me two things:
- Your plan to stop such human rights abuses from the Trump Administration.
- Your plan to prevent such abuses from any future presidential administration.
In order to be conistent, your plan cannot include voting. Because you are too ideologically pure to sully yourself with liberal politics, i.e. democracy, you must instead tell me how you plan to achieve these things without it. This is your chance to convince me to join up, if I like your plan I'll do what I can to help.
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I care about all abuse
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I guess just fuck Venezuela then
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I think you are imagining things.
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Since you don’t believe in participating in the poltical process
So, no plan then. Why am I not suprised.
Your objection is an incoherent non sequitur.
You haven't made one honest response this whole time because you know I handed your ass to you on a platter with all the trimmings.
Either tell me your plan or gtfo
My plan is to get a good night's sleep.
What's your plan?
Like I said, you have no plan. Like all leftists you talk a lot of shit, but do absolutely nothing to actually achieve the goals you say you want. By your unwillingness to engage in the political process you stand by and allow fascists to take power and destroy the lives of millions, then turn around and blame "liberals" for "enabling" when they actually attempt to stop said fascists from taking power by the only legitimate means available to us. And the real great irony here is you think that I'm somehow a fascist because I excerise my civil duty and actually engage in the one activity that can actually prevent them from taking power.
So yeah, go to sleep please. But don't give me shit for voting, because unlike you I'm actually trying to do something about this mess we're in. If you halfwits would've voted also 80 families in Venezuela wouldn't have been blown to smithereens this past weekend.
We can try one last time for you to lend some coherence to the discussion.
You hollered vapidly about my not having a plan.
Do you have some kind of plan, that you think is relevant to share?
Yeah. Organize politically and vote in a candidate who then represents me and passes laws for stuff that I like.
How well is that working?
Organizing and voting are fine, but when there are two candidates who support genocide, and none who supports universal healthcare, which one do you suppose represents you?
That's easy, they want genocide and don't care who does it.
Liberals are protecting fascists, once again.
Fascism is always bipartisan, anything else threatens their mutual bottom line and end goals.
Yeah me voting against the fascists is protecting them while you doing jack shit is opposing them. That sure makes sense.
You seem to know more about me than I know about myself.
I know that you've utterly failed to dismantle imperialism, supplant capitalism, and get any meaningful political gains whatsoever in the last 40 years.
Some of us don't have time to wait around for you people to get your imaginary revolution off the ground. We would like to see change within our lifetime please.
Bye, troll.
How well is that working?
Lol. What gains have any communist/socialist movements in this country actually made, in the last 30 years? Which laws have gotten passed? Which candidates have been elected? Which cities or states have abandoned coporatisim and started dismantling the polcie state? Where's the co-ops and collectives that are supposed to be supplanting capitalism? Don't make me laugh.
Organizing and voting are fine, but when there are two candidates who support genocide, and none who supports universal healthcare, which one do you suppose represents you?
Maybe the one who isn't planning to suspend future elections and become a dictator for life? https://www.themirror.com/news/politics/breaking-trump-says-election-should-1601480??23
"They had the worst president, did the worst job. They have the worst policy," Trump said, referring to the Democratic Party. "We >have to even run against these people."
He continued by suggesting that the election could be canceled to stop the Democrats from running. In a sarcastic tone, Trump >said the only reason he won't directly call for the election to be canceled is that the "fake news" will call him a "dictator" if he >doesn't allow democracy to run as the Constitution and laws of the land dictate.
But yeah, I guess punishing democrats is more important than preserving democracy. I mean, you already said you didn't care, so why am I even bothering?
More absurd ranting.
Bye, troll.
More snobbish elitism. You can go away now.
Essentially the entire thread consists of you attacking me for positions I never expressed, and generally your own imagined features of my beliefs and actions.
In contrast, I never attacked you personally, yet now you pretend to have been victimized.
Your attitude and your grasp of politics are both profoundly childish and self serving.
I said go away.
Keep crying.
Keep crying, because a leftist community, in which you chose to post, consists of leftists who discuss leftism.
You are not on the front lines fighting fascism. You vote once a year, at most, for a party that is barely less fascist than its pretend antagonist, and you spend the rest of your time pointing fingers and playing victim.
Keep crying out your straw man about someone else not "participating in the political process".
Keep crying, but cry elsewhere, alongside your fellow pro-genocide liberals.