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On the other hand, men on average live shorter, and we just go "well it's just risky behavior and physical labor I guess π€·ββοΈ" and they're aren't any task forces for that either, truth is we as a society don't care enough about these issues regardless of sex
I'm on the fence with your comment. Society viewing men as disposable is definitely a thing, and we do end up doing more hazardous and physically demanding work on the whole. The risks are real. Some of our mortality is hardwired, with men more prone to taking risks, which also drags the average.
You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it's the system we subscribe to.
I'm hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it's close to bringing the whole 'men too' crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
This is what I tried to hint at.
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
But aren't you doing the first, rather than the second with your post?
You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it's the system we subscribe to.
How is this different in the context of healthcare for women?
I'm hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it's close to bringing the whole 'men too' crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.
This is irrelevant. The point is either valid or it isn't. Neither you nor the person you're talking to are responsible for the reactions of third parties. Judge the point being made on its own merits.
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
In an ideal world, maybe. But the health issues in question are relevant to a person's sexual development (male vs. female) therefore it is functionally impossible to remove sex from the discussion.
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women
Then make a post that doesn't specifically target men vs women
This is kind of incorrect. The leading cause of death (in the US) is heart disease, followed by cancer:
https://www.voronoiapp.com/healthcare/What-are-the-leading-causes-of-death-for-men-and-women-4775
Obviously those affect both men and women, but men are represented higher in both causes. Heart disease and cancer absolutely have large research groups focused on them, they aren't being ignored by society at large.
Cancer is a really broad cause of death. The cancer that has arguably the best funded research is breast cancer, which mostly affects women.
Although general cancer research received roughly 3x more funding. Blood cancers aren't far behind breast cancer in funding ($2.7b breast and $2.3b blood).
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(23)00182-1/fulltext
? There are treatments for osteoporosis. They're called bisphosphonates. And bone density screenings are routine in older women. Am I missing something?
You're just not hating on men the right way.
To be fair this is more industry specific than just motivated by some sense of misandry.
It's specifically doctors. And medicine is still biased as fuck.
The healthcare industry has a very well known history of just ignoring women. Many treatments for women-centric illnesses were tested on just men, because dealing with women's cyclic hormone was deemed "too hard", and make test subjects were just easier. Until shockingly recently.
This isn't "men bad", it's patriarchy bad, including for men.
the existence of treatments doesn't mean they are readily available to people who need them.
But that's because your healthcare system doesn't really exist, and that's true for just about everything
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Many male doctors are sexist as hell. So unless you know there are treatments and bring it up and/or force the issue, the doctor isn't going to tell you.
This is such gender war dog shit.
The elite and society at large doesn't care about anyone in the lower classes, man or women, young or old.
Ok to your second sentence, but it is proven over and over again that health care for women is at a much lower standard than for men. Less funding, less research, less care. Those are objective facts. Calling that out is not creating a gender war its identifying a drastic gap that has been written about in countless medical journals for decades.
are we really calling awareness of gender issues gender war? how do you expect gender issues to be resolved if no one's allowed to talk about them?
turns out there's some pretty major issues with the gender binary, but I'm not sure how you expect to fix that without talking about it. it's fair to say capatilism is part of the root cause but reducing it to solely that is a little disingenuous.
Mindlessly criticising something and making it about your own pet "war"
Pointing out gender-related issues is not a "gender war". Discussing someone else's issues is not an attack on you.
Putting the gender-related issues into a meme with a "if this affected men then there would be more funding" doesn't feel like discussing issues and more like "gender war".
I mean, let's be honest, it would have to be rich white men losing 20%, then we would find a cure, and price it so that anyone else couldn't afford it, even if it cost like $12 to make
They do. Men lose bone density as well, just at a slower rate. It's at about 20% when men are 60 instead of 50.
They wonβt cure something that they can profit from by making something a subscription.
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Aging should be studied a lot more. I believe once the AI bubble pops, the computing power and models should be applied to biology. How do ageless atoms become old meat? I want to know, as an old meat myself, and if we can treat, stop, or even reverse the process.
How do ageless atoms become old meat? I want to know, as an old meat myself, and if we can treat, stop, or even reverse the process.
Atoms must arrange themselves in a particular way to become a cell. A cell knows how to make copies of itself, but sometimes mistakes can happen. Like a game of telephone, the cell at the end of the line only knows how to make a copy of itself, not how to make a copy of the original cell it came from. The mistakes gradually accumulate over time, which causes improperly formed cells to accumulate over time and give the appearance of "aging".
In theory, aging is a condition that is surmountable. There are jellyfish that are swimming in the ocean right now that are functionally immortal. They create perfect copies of their DNA every single time, and can repair damage to cells without leaving a trace of the original injury. If we could figure out the processes that allow them to do this, it could be applied to the human genome as well.
AI/ML has already been used to study protein folding and I'm sure it'll be used to study other facets of biology too. There's great use cases for the tech once you look past the tell-mentally-ill-people-to-kill-their-families-bots.
I may be wrong but I think one hard part is identifying the places where ML makes sense to use. Need people who understand biology AND ML for that.
There's a number of different reasons but the hardest to overcome is the fact that we evolved to grow old and die. Having an upper limit on our reproductive age positively benefits our ability to keep evolving and having an upper limit on total age balances the benefits of age (wisdom and experience) with the need to not deny the younger generations of resources.
Rich men would invest in their own bones, the rest of us would die even earlier than women do.
Itβs actually even worse than it sounds.
This is a solved problem. Resistance training is incredibly effective at not just preventing but totally reversing bone loss in women. That is on top of about a hundred thousand other proven benefits of training. Literally 30 minutes a week at planet fitness with a halfway decent plan can gift you 30+ quality adjusted life years.
But how do we treat this proven, accessible, miraculous cure to this life threatening problem that every woman faces? Well, we endure extreme societal pressure to avoid lifting weights at all costs of course! Wouldnβt want to accidentally become too manly!
Literally everyone should be sickened by this state of affairs
This is a solved problem.
That's a really goddamn bold claim that you don't bother to back up. Here's a 2025 systematic review and meta-analysis exploring our current understanding of how resistance training improves bone mineral density in postmenopausal women.
Here's their conclusion:
Resistance training can beneficially influence BMD [bone mineral density] in postmenopausal women, particularly at the LS [lumbar spine], FN [femoral neck], and TH [total hip]. A high-intensity training regimen (β₯β70% 1RM [1-rep max]) performed three times per week with a longer training duration may be optimal. However, significant heterogeneity among the included studies for LS and FN bone density may affect the accuracy of the pooled results, thereby limiting the generalizability of these findings. More high-quality clinical trials are needed to confirm these findings.
So it's good. Nobody would deny that it's good. The problem is when you start throwing around terms like "solved" and "miraculous cure" to complex medical problems without anything to back it up β especially in an era of rampant medical disinformation.
I think the previous comment was rather hyperbolic, but to a degree it's true. I wouldn't call it solved, obviously, since removing all other factors, women experience more osteoporosis and overall bone loss than men in general. Though when we consider activity, it's more common for men to be physically active in general, and higher overall muscle mass means greater bone density in the longer term, to my understanding.
But also, most of western society is extremely sedentary, and there is a certain inertia when it comes to encouraging physical fitness as a solution. People do tend to want a magic pill for things. Just look at all the fervor over Ozempic.
I wonder how it looks for women who started before menopause though rather than after.
I've never heard of a guy not wanting their girl to do strength training, that just makes the girl hotter...
Maybe that's like an old person thing? Like gen x and older?
Not sure itβs a generation thing. For example, Gen X grew up with ladies workout videos, thigh master, the little white guy with the Afro, etc. Could this be a reaction to the body positivity movement?
I gotta say though, there are a ton of women lifting at the gyms I've gone to
Well, we endure extreme societal pressure to avoid lifting weights
Is this actually true? Like half the women I know lift and gymfluencers is a huge thing
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Isn't this a case for hormone replacement therapy? I thought physicians recommend it nowadays.
Maybe we could get menopausal people into the DIY estradiol scene. Like breaking bad but it's some middle aged person cooking estradiol solutions in an instant pot.