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It seems odd to me that a Ukrainian would trust a security guarantee from a western nation, and particularly one helmed by a mercurial president suffering from dementia. They were already supposed to have a security guarantee for giving up their nukes.
Nobody trusts anything. Later they will start talking about what exactly those guarantees are, and then the idea will die out. Ukraine can't stop talking with the USA. The last thing we need is the USA as an open enemy.
Zelesky in contrast to Trump is something to behold. A comedian turned hero has to dance for a clown in order to save his country. Fuck Im pissed off at the US, man... you fucking beasts. You were supposed to be better than this. Zelensky was a comedian, Trump's America is a joke.
What's with television stars running countries?
People trust familiarity; unfortunately, that includes untrustworthy familiar people.
At least Zelenskyy has a law degree, even if he did end up pursuing a career in comedy and entertainment instead.
Trump has a bachelor's degree in economics and a career of running businesses to bankruptcy.
That's a really good point that I hadn't considered.
Unfortunately it's at the point where it's better than nothing. The orange Cheeto could definitely throw another flamin hot temper tantrum like him and JD did a few months ago, and throw the whole thing out.
That's why Zelenskyy apologized so hard, when it was JD who started the whole tiff for absolutely no reason (I watched the clip like 3-4 times. It came out of no where). Zelenskyy knows this is about survival, not a dick-waggling contest
Who else would they be able to trust outside of the western world? China? I don’t disagree that the US should have honored their original agreement for nuclear disarmament, but Ukraine is between a rock and a hard place right now.
Good question. Who do they trust?
The US and Europe, who outright betrayed them?
Or Russia/China, who invaded?
It's a bad sign when you're looking at two options and have to decide which one sucks worse.
How did Europe betray them?
It’s a bad sign when you’re looking at two options and have to decide which one sucks worse.
Welcome to US elections for decades.
100%
Probably worth as much as security guarantees from the russia.
It's wild to me to have to honestly consider the truth of that statement.
A further problem for him is that Trump's pledges are worth exactly nothing. Let Ukraine join NATO, that is the only reassurance.
exactly right... trump word was useless when he was a trashy reality tv host... he has shown his word is less than worthless by now
At the very least, this publicly puts pressure on Russia. Zelensky can't just wish the war away or tell Trump what to do, but he can play his best hand.
Let's say that some papers do get signed and and it makes Russia have to pivot or draws in more support from NATO. Maybe a couple months later Trump roles back those protections. That's a couple of months closer to Trump's exit and the hope for a better future system. He's hopefully lived to fight another day. At worst, talks devolve and the status quo remains the same.
Frankly, security assurances from the current US regime to Ukraine are very probably worth less than the paper they’re written on.
True, but the whole process can throw wrenches into Russia's invasion and maybe be a catalyst to get other countries to step up their support as well. The US isn't the only Western country doing wrong by Ukraine.
I don't think any security guarantees are worth the paper they are written on, aggressors only know strength and co signers suddenly get cold feet when shit hits the fan.
Ukraine needs to be armed to the teeth, as do we all.
Agreed.
If the US really wanted to nip war in the bud here, they'd slip Ukraine a nuke.
It's been largely forgotten that the Russian invasion at the start was an absolute diaaster, and their entire armed forces literally broke down on a road for like a month. The entire Russian empire could have been knee capped for generations right there if just one nation had bombed that road.
Oh yeah make a deal with the man Epstein said was the most evil person he’s ever met . I’m sure that will work out
Don't believe the shitbag!