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"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said adding that "if each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries"

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a video that went viral on Friday that undocumented immigrants are not entitled to due process protections when being removed from the United States, arguing that providing full legal proceedings would make deportations unworkable.

"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said. "If each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries. They had no due process entering the country, and they are not entitled to it when being removed."

Supreme Court precedent has long held that constitutional protections apply to noncitizens within U.S. territory. In Wong Wing v. United States (1896), the Court ruled that the Fifth Amendment's due process clause protects noncitizens from arbitrary detention or punishment.

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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Actually, a lot of them being kicked out now are being pulled from their court dates, so they are following due process.

This scumbag should die in a jail cell.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Not to mention the ones they are simply cancelling their visas and other legal arrangements and then arresting and deporting. Steven Miller is white supremacist scum and should be tried for crimes against humanity.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 159 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You didn't have due process to be born Stephen, so you don't deserve it when we put your neck in a guillotine.

[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (14 children)

I'd prefer slowly lowering him into a wood chipper, feet first. After we feed him a ton of adrenaline so he can't pass out.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Nah, he deserves a much more ironic punishment more suited to make him miserable.

He deserves to be forced to afford rent on minimum wage in an inner city surrounded by the people he hates.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

How about he is forced to pick up trash alongside the highways, and the government makes very prominent, hyper-cool videos about it, just like they are making for people carted off to CECOT?

Most days he is picking up trash by the highway, and other days he has to work in Hispanic communities doing community service like working in a soup kitchen, bussing tables? Ideally, all he hears all day long is Spanish.

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[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Vivisection is what he deserves. Then we may actually find out what the fuck is wrong with him before he dies in terror.

[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Watch Nuremberg. The doctor played my Ramek was a fucking fortune teller. Really scary shit when you read up on his research and his thoughts on Nazis, which seem to be pretty accurate nearly 100 years later.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

I want him to be publicly executed. Ideally by due process but I'm increasingly ok with by mob

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

If anyone doesn't have due process, no one has due process.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 102 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That means they can remove anyone without due process...

They could say literally anyone didn't come in the country legally, and "due process" is where people can prove they should be here

This is the same as when people would drown women, and if died she wasn't a witch so everyone would celebrate even tho they just killed an innocent.

No regard for false positives.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 days ago

Fascists don't believe in due process, they believe in whims enforced at gunpoint.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 79 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You need due process to even know if they are illegal aliens. They just want to deport people without checking.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 days ago

Oh, they "checked". They held up the color chart.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm pretty sure some natural-born citizens have already been disappeared by ICE

[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 79 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Due process isn't something you "deserve". You are entitled to it, regardless of any circumstance. The process is due to you. It is your unalienable right.

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

*according to the US constitution ?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Been law governing statesia (then part of England) since 1354. And I quote:

No man of what state or condition he be, shall be put out of his lands or tenements nor taken, nor disinherited, nor put to death, without he be brought to answer by due process of law.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

According to the goddamn magna carta.

But yes, also according to the US Constitution

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 7 points 3 days ago

if each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries

Yeah, that's kind of the point. You don't deport people out of spite or because it serves your agenda.

They had no due process entering the country, and they are not entitled to it when being removed.

Whatever that means. I'm not a scholar in matters of law, but I guess that Miller's opinion is as valuable as single ply toilet paper.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This guy basically just said he doesn't care what the constitution says, he's going to do whatever he wants anyway.

I sure wish the idiots on the right would get riled up over literally anything besides the 2nd amendment.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 44 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I'm sick of people trying to gaslight us into thinking ICE is only going after illegal immigrants and that they just want people to follow legal processes to come in. They're arresting people at courthouses, in the midst of following the legal process to immigrate

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They're also arresting Americans and then claiming afterwards that their birth certificates are fake.

And people need to get this through their heads: If illegal immigrants have no right to due process, then NOBODY has the right to due process, because how are you going to prove you're a citizen without due process?

[–] dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 days ago

I just saw an ad recruiting new ICE members. It was essentially just selling fear. These people are such cowards.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago

This dude just lives in his own hateful reality.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Openly admitting to violating the civil rights of millions will come in handy for those of us who will hold you accountable.

[–] helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 days ago

I do so badly wish to be a judge on that tribunal.

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

Oh geez, using that logic, no criminal used due process to murder, rape, steal, so they can't be charged.

Stephen Miller is truly the Chief of Staff we deserve.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago
[–] core@leminal.space 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

15 million? Got some sauce to back up that claim?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

That will be soon jump up to the number of Latinos, then Latinos+Asians, then Latinos+Asians+Blacks...

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[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 4 days ago

Yes, and you didn't have due process when you turned left without signaling, so now you don't get to go to a judge and say the cop was lying.

It all makes so much sense now!

Dumbass.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago

Ah, the land of the free welcoming the tired, heartbroken and poor huddled masses yearning for that freedom?

[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 16 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Right. Except the criteria Mr. Nazi over there has is “…because I say they were undocumented”.

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I think he should have been aggressively bullied more.

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[–] Shamber@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Is this guys actually a living thing? I never get that I'm living being vibe from him, anyone checked him for puls?

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Every time I see that horrible fuck’s face I wish for horrible fates to befall him that I will not put in print.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago

The rights in the Constitution apply (in the words of the Constitution) to "all persons," not "all persons that Pee Wee Goebbels approves of."

[–] AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Steven Miller is a Goebbels wannabe and one of my most sincere wishes is that I live long enough to see that he's dead.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

micropenis confirmed

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 days ago

Not how anything works.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Wouldn't it be nice if people like shithead steve could have their faces melt like the Nazi in Indiana Jones?

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