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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 19 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

nah, thats movement relative to space time, warp suggests bending said space time in order to, relative to your destination, move faster than light, while essentially staying motionless in spacetime.

In this paradigm inertia is very much not a thing

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

Thank you. I read this thinking “yeah this is not simple Newtonian motion”.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

To suspend disbelief, when any non-hard sci-fi show says "speed" I subconsciously translate it to "acceleration." If the ship they're chasing (or being chased by) is pushing their engines to the max then the enterprise also needs to push its engines to the max to match the speed. If they just free-float at constant velocity then they'll fall behind very quickly.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 56 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Not quite. The warp drive doesn't actually provide any thrust, its purpose is to create the warp bubble and then "squish" the space in front of the starship.

Thus the "warp engines" do actually need to get constantly fed energy in order to work. Feed more energy equals get more squish equals go faster.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't the ship through the universe, but the universe around it!

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

For the curious, OA has a pretty extensive, physically plausible theoretical writeups on warp bubbles:

https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/493f29cc472f0

They’re the STL kind, but still, they do seem to require power.

AFIAIK the impulse drives are sub relativistic in Star Trek, right? Or maybe they aren’t, but that seems.

[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They’re specifically soft when it comes using impulse vs warp for both subliminal and superliminal speeds. It’s whatever the writers needed at the time. It makes sense that they can use warp to go almost any speed, but it’s a whole lot of power to warp space just to cruise around a solar system. I think there was at least one episode of TNG where they went light speed or close to it with impulse, but I may be misremembering, I just remember thinking that’s not how their own science works.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

ST doesn’t seem to respect relatively anyway, so I guess it doesn’t matter, heh. The physics are different.

[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 hours ago

They do and they don’t, again, depends on the writer, but relativity is a really hard concept for the average show watcher. Sci-fi doesn’t really exist without relativistic breaking tech of some sort. ST has warp and subspace communication. They have reasons those break relativity, and they kind of stick to them. Then they have beings like the Q that might as well be gods. And sometimes actual gods in TOS. As a whole, the series is nonsense. But they try to make it less so over time and that just makes it retconned nonsense.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 2 points 7 hours ago

When moving at a high speed through the galaxy you potential may change. This must be paid and paid quickly too.

[–] MattW03@lemmy.ca 36 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

It depends. Impulse engine? Sure. Warp? Nope. Also, you need shielding.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

have they reverse the polarity of the shields?

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago

they can't do that without decoupling heisenberg compensators, duh.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 105 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (6 children)

Pretty sure the warp drives need continuous power to contract space in front of the ship and expand it behind the ship to allow faster than light travel

The ship isn't actually moving during faster than light travel, it just bends space around it

They can only move at impulse speed without engine output due to their being no friction and gravity in space

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 27 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

Even when the impulse drives are down, the ship always just stops 🤷‍♂️

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

My favorite bit is how when life support goes offline, it's like they're running out of oxygen within seconds. I once saw the math referencing the actual canon dimensions of the Enterprise D and its canon crew complement. It's comically large for the number of people in it. You could shut off all the CO2 scrubbers in a space that cavernous, and it would be months before the crew began noticing any ill effects. The Enterprises are god-damn ginormous.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 12 hours ago

The Enterprises are god-damn ginormous.

It's all those bowling alleys and home theatres they installed in the lower decks.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I recently saw a DS9 episode where O'Brien said life support is down and it's going to be a problem in a day or sth, was pleasantly surprised at that.

Might still not be accurate, but at least it was not a "oh shit we'll die now" kind of thing.

[–] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It depends. Lack of air circulation can cause problems in minutes as people can end up breathing stagnant air. Less of a problem if you have artificial gravity as then you have convection and/or the coriolis effect to help keep the air moving. As for actually running out: less of an issue.

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[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 143 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (5 children)

Yeah, at impulse they would still want the deflector shields, but at warp they can only remain faster than light due to power creating the warp bubble/field. Like a rubber band, you need to constantly exert force to repell the elastic forces.

[–] cholesterol@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Like a rubber band

A true Trekkie

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

So what you're saying is, we need more rubber bands

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[–] presoak@lazysoci.al 40 points 17 hours ago

It's a different kind of space. They're going faster than light.

[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

This is something that always bothered me when watching some sci-fi space shows. A space walk occurs, but there is only so much thrust that can be used. Once the thrust stops, the person stops.

Thats.....not how vacuums work.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What bothers me more is the crappy placement of these dialog bubbles. The order of them makes you read Kirk's dialog first.

[–] Coffeephilic@lemmy.cafe 2 points 10 hours ago

These are Laverne and Shirley speech bubbles, designed to ensure that neither speech bubble can complain about not getting top billing.

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This sort of thing is really common in video games where you're able to move in zero G.

In the few games that have accurate zero G movement people get really confused. They'll hold a movement key the entire way to a destination then smack into it because they didn't realize they'd have to hold the opposite key for an equal amount of time to stop. Or they'll fly a certain distance like that, then want to make a 90° turn, only to keep careening off in the direction of their initial travel with a slight bend to it.

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[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

It's not how atmospheres work either

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[–] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 33 points 18 hours ago (14 children)

Unrelated but in the expanse they really nailed those aspects. When there's a pursuit, it's always an acceleration pursuit, which is limited by how much G the characters can tolerate, and for how long.

The only magic tech they introduce is a super efficient fusion core engine, but they use it to improve realism rather than destroy it. It's great.

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[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 14 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Another consideration outside of the warp field maintenance is how incredibly destructive a collision with even nanograms of mass can be at relativistic velocities and shielding against those takes a lot of power itself

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 56 points 20 hours ago (27 children)

In every ST series, they only ever say that in warp. And nobody has no idea how warp works.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

less so in nutrek, old trek usually has some techno-babble included. i wonder if they think the viewers will get bored to death from a pseudo-explanation of how warp works, eventhough they sorta explained it over the franchise as (contracting and expanding space using a subspace field).

transwarp, vortex, slipstream kinda sidesteps the speed of light in our own universe, by interdimensional travel, hence why its faster than warp.

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