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[–] zabadoh@ani.social 148 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I give that about a week after it comes out, before you can buy compatible socket wrenches on AliExpress.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Exactly, this whole article is stupid and I kinda like the little fasteners.

I'll buy a set of these screwdrivers for $10 and put them in my speciality tool drawer and call it a day.

No problems here.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 24 points 3 days ago

You shouldn't have to?

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

From the standpoint of anybody reasonably handy, we all know we can buy tools. Any time I see a discarded or abused tool I'll salvage it just because I know I can grind or channel out the head to make custom drivers. That's not the problem.

It's that the company is going to use this as a play to illegally monopolize and stifle competition.

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, like those security lug nuts. Guess what, guys?

We've had two vehicles come with them. I remove them the first time I have a wheel off for some reason.

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 25 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I wouldn't say the security wheel nuts are entirely useless.

Although a set is only about $25 on Amazon, it does limit the pool of potential wheel thieves to serious professionals who are looking for something more valuable to justify buying and carrying multiple sets of these around.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've got a set of 20-something security bits from there, all the anti interference stuff all in one place.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

I bet you'll be able to source matching bits from Chinese sources not a week after the screws appear on the market.

Nobody learned anything from "Tamper Resistent" Tory.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This just means in order to remove them at home, you have to buy a special screwdriver.

Nintendo did this for decades, and it was still super easy to obtain the special screwdriver for their special screws.

[–] florge@feddit.uk 62 points 4 days ago (3 children)

People need to stop buying BMWs, they seem to always be the first to introduce some new bullshit.

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 24 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Hooray, more tools to buy. 🫩

Sure wish we could just have a single standard shape and size.
How about standard hex in metric and be done with it?

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's why I bought a metric tap and die, anywhere I run into stupidity I can just re-thread and put a better bolt in.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 6 points 3 days ago

My hero 🥹

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Hex can strip, either square or star/torx

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Stripping is almost always user error and i personally don't like torx. But I'm down for any of them if made a singular a standard!

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Maybe user error, but hex comes in both us and metric and the difference is often just tight enough to strip it or loose enough you can pound it in with a hammer. Torx only comes in 1 scale.

What do you personally take issue with?

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's true.

I just dont like the feel of using them and I've also broken multiple of the small torx bits.

But realistically i don't care what standard is chosen as long as there was one.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I bet that the goal here is to try to abuse trademark law to sue anyone who makes compatible bits because it's embedding the trademarked BMW logo. I also bet that courts won't buy into it.

EDIT: Well, I bet that US courts won't buy into it. Dunno about other jurisdictions, what case law is there.

Back in the 1990s, you had Sega v. Accolade, where Sega tried making their consoles not work with a game unless that game had copyrighted and trademarked content at the beginning, with the idea that nobody could legally make games compatible with their consoles without Sega's approval, and a court said "nice try, but no".

EDIT2:

The court then went on to cite Anti-Monopoly v. General Mills Fun Group, which states in reference to the Lanham Act, "The trademark is misused if it serves to limit competition in the manufacture and sales of a product. That is the special province of the limited monopolies provided pursuant to the patent laws."[9] The judges in the case had decided that Sega had violated this provision of the act by utilizing its trademark to limit competition for software for its console.

EDIT3: Oh, BMW patented it, too. I still bet that that's going to run into anti-trust law.

[–] Lee@retrolemmy.com 12 points 3 days ago

Basically what Nintendo did on one of their schemes to prevent unauthorized software (Famicom Disk System, which was a floppy disk drive for the Japanese version of the NES). This was the physical Nintendo logo embossed on to floppy disk and with a flat disk instead, the disk can't be physically loaded (sort of, you can add extra cut outs). Other game systems required a logo or similar other brand/trademark/IP to be present in the game code in order to boot, so if you wanted to make your own game without Nintendo's blessing, you had to invlude their IP in your physical disk or in the game code just to get it to boot. This BMW patent seems to be in the spirit of those hard and software protections that prevent people from doing what they want with the hardware (car) they bought.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Literally not even a novel design and in my opinion, not patentable.

Didn't Audi edit: try some similarly outrageous stunt about 25 years ago? Something like no user access to the engine compartment at all? As in go to the dealer to have them remove the front of your car and refill your washer fluid. I remember that went over like a limestone cloud and I don't think they pulled the trigger on that design. Car people, where are you?

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago

Fuck them then. The line in the sand has been drawn and we want to fix our shit without corporate intervention. I was always too poor to own one anyway.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 14 points 3 days ago

a-hole drivers, a-hole companies not surprised.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 31 points 4 days ago (3 children)

it will probably limit 3rd parties for a short time, until they purchase the tool that is required

or someone reverse engineers a tool that doesn't violate some trademark

these things never stay in one parties control for long

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I think the issue is with how many hoops you want to jump through in order to fix BMWs, specifically.

If I'm running an auto-repair shop and I already need specialty kits and tools for more common vehicles, why am I going to invest in one for a far more niche brand? And if the number of non-dealership repair centers for BMWs dry up, the pool of people skilled in repair go with it.

It's a death spiral for the brand as a whole, in pursuit of marginal increase in dealership based repairs.

[–] brap@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Where are you from? BMWs are incredibly popular here in the UK and Europe and are far from niche.

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[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 days ago

Man, fuck BMW, they're a shitty company to do business with. Worse than Audi even and that's a tall order.

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Does that mean it'll be a free dealership service? If you can't service them yourself or have an off brand replacement, doesn't the company have to provide it?

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure a bored steel worker somewhere can crank out a bit in 10 minutes

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just another tool for the mechanic to stock. They'll be on eBay and Amazon soon enough.

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

Having 8 million single use tools sure does get annoying and expensive..

[–] starchylemming@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

classic bmw

if only our economy wasnt so dependent on this company

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Thanks for letting me know to never buy a BMW!

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

No one ever asks about the company's right to repair /s

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

BMW, in lieu developing electric cars that can compete with chinese brands, has found a different way of binding its customers to the brand...

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Give me a blowtorch and 20 minutes. I'll have it off.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 10 points 3 days ago

Even a bad idea like this has its loyal supporters who are fine with a car company making DIYers jump through hoops. Probably pay more for the luxury of not being able to do basic service on your own car.

I honestly was expected it to be lug nuts connected to the cloud that self-destructed if a code isn't given in time. If you want people to buy your cars and take them to the dealer for servicing, then build better cars and have better service at decent prices. It's common sense to anyone else.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'll stick with my Hyundai, thanks.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I nneded to buy a 2 ft wratchet extension to undo a nut holding down the battery that was waaaaay down there. You know they did that on purpose

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Why not just weld that shit solid at this point ffs.

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