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64GB of DDR3 RAM in a system of that era is straight nuts!
I got a good deal where it was cheaper than the 32gb I intended to have :D It's DDR4 btw. So it might be worth the whole system soon (1000k for the whole computer in 2017)
One of the commenters said:
"avoid building a PC right now" is advice I've been following since 2017
And honestly yeah. I guess at this point if you can afford it, just pull the plug whenever, it's always some bullshit going on the PC Market anyway.
I built my PC in 2019 right at the end of the year and I thank the gods everyday. I've only done one CPU upgrade since and it's still great for 1440p gaming. The whole tower minus monitor and what not was probably like $900 at the time
Don't consume any AI products. Don't consume any products made or marketed with AI products. Don't support any companies than invest in AI or are invested in because of AI. Lets kill this nonsense in 2026 and bring computing, jobs and wealth back into the hands of ordinary people. And a prememptive - NO BAILOUT for the tech bros when this shit crashes.
As (relatively) old as they are, midrange Core i5 chips from Intel’s 12th-, 13th-, and 14th-generation Core CPU lineups are still solid choices for budget-to-midrange PC builds.
I would be hesitant about obtaining secondhand 13th or 14th gen desktop Intel CPUs, since those are the ones that destroy themselves over time. There is no way to know whether they've been run on non-updated BIOSes and damaged themselves. I burned through an i9-13900 and an i9-14900 myself. Started with occasional errors and gradually got worse until they couldn't even get through boot. I am sure that there are lots of people trying to unload damaged processors (knowingly or unknowingly) that have only seen the early stages of damage.
12th-gen CPUs are safe.
Consider pre-built systems. A quick glance at Dell’s Alienware lineup and Lenovo’s Legion lineup makes it clear that these towers still aren’t particularly price-competitive with similarly specced self-built PCs. This was true before there was a RAM shortage, and it’s true now. But for certain kinds of PCs, particularly budget PCs, it can still make more sense to buy than to build.
I just picked up two Alienware PCs for relatives to take advantage of this window, but it was only something like a two-week window, where Dell announced at the beginning of December that they were doing price increases to reflect the RAM shortage mid-December. I believe that that window is closed now (or, well, it might still be cheaper to get DIMMs with a PC than separate, but not to get memory that way at pre-memory-shortage prices any more).
EDIT: From memory, Lenovo announced that they were doing their RAM-induced price increases at the beginning of January, so for Lenovo, it might still work for another week-and-a-half or so.
EDIT2: 15th gen Intel CPUs are also safe WRT damage, but like AMD's AM5-socket processors, they can't use DDR4 memory, which is what the author is trying to find a route to do.
Get Into books.
Lots of indie and medium size studio games thst run great on hardware from 5 and 10 years ago. AAA gaming is a AAA scam at thr moment. The really quality is in developer owned games.
IMO, the pricing is an extortion scam rather than a real shortage. People are falling for it because of AI hype narrative. Best to wait it out.
How about just don't buy a PC for now? I'm sure the machine you've got in good enough. Just hang on to it until the prices come back down
My old i7 4790k with DDR3 can run for a little longer.....
Yeah, it sucks though. It feels like building a PC has been inadvisable more often than not. Thanks to the GPU prices being ridiculous a while back. Now this. It's crazy that you have to time building a PC between these stupid waves.
I guess my ageing i5-8400, 16GB, GTX 1060 rig can keep hobbling along a while yet.
Although I was amused to see my Legion Go S actually has a more powerful CPU now.
Did some server maintenance yesterday, including driver updates. Broke my system since it updated my Nvidia driver to 590.x which no longer supports our little 1060s. Had to roll back the driver, thankfully easy. Suppose I better start keeping an eye out for some sort of upgrade...
Best advice is grab an AM4 motherboard and go for DD4 ram. You wont notice a difference in performance for majority of games. DDR4 ram and AM4 cpu's are cheap.
DDR4 RAM is presently cheaper than DDR5, but it has also increased dramatically in price recently.
https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/
DDR4:
https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/ed889201-f9e6-46ec-81a8-832f6bfc63ed.jpeg

DDR5:
https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/35d03746-8d9c-443f-808f-8c88f2914b73.jpeg

How much RAM does a time machine require because that seems to be the basic advice here.
Not a hardware fix, but there's memory compression. It sounds like Windows 11 defaults to having memory compression on:
Linux has zswap and zram to do memory compression, which I've mentioned here recently. I don't know of any distros that turn it on by default. It sounds from recent reading like for modern systems with SSD swap, zswap is probably preferable to zram.
Looks like I'm going to be stuck in 2023 for a long long time...
This, but 2015
So do we expect the cost of gpu's to also rise due to this? Some money is opening up and next year I wanted to upgrade anyway. Might just need to buy it earlier
Top GPUs used to be like 600CAD. Then the covid thing happened and they've never come back down.
As a silver lining, you think this could stabilize GPU prices? Or at least CPU prices?
If there's less RAM/SSDs to build PCs with, then people will buy fewer GPUs/CPUs for them.
GPUs also need memory. So they aren't escaping this from a consumer POV. Not to mention how production capacity is still being sucked up data centres, but now for AI.
GPU prices
Outside of maybe integrated GPUs, I doubt it, because they need their own memory and are constrained by the same bottleneck
DRAM.
Or at least CPU prices?
I've read one article arguing that CPU prices will likely drop during the RAM shortage.
I don't know if that's actually true
I think that depends very much on the ability of CPU manufacturers to economically scale down their production to match demand, and I don't know to what degree that is possible. If they need to commit to a given amount of production in advance, then yeah, probably.
Go back a couple years, and DRAM manufacturers
who are currently making a ton of money due to the massive surge in demand from AI
were losing a ton of money, because they couldn't inexpensively rapidly scale production up and down to match demand. I don't know what the economics are like for CPUs.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fear-dram-glut-stifling-micron-155958125.html
November 5, 2018
To be clear, the oversupply concerns that have plagued Micron Technology (NASDAQ:MU) shares for weeks now are completely valid. Micron stock has fallen as much as 40% just since June on this deteriorating dynamic.
In short, the world doesn’t need as many memory chips as Micron and rivals like Samsung (OTCMKTS:SSNLF) and SK Hynix are collectively making. The glut is forcing the price of DRAM (dynamic random access memory) modules so low that it’s increasingly tougher to make a buck in the business.
We had a glut of DRAM as late as early this year:
https://evertiq.com/news/56996
Weak Demand and Inventory Backlogs
Both the DRAM and the NAND markets are still in a state of oversupply, with excess inventory leading to significant price declines through Q4 2024 and Q1 2025. This is driven by multiple factors such as weak consumer demand.
Memory manufacturers ramped up production during previous periods of strong demand, but the market failed to meet these forecasts. This has resulted in inventory backlogs that now weigh on prices.
DDR6 will be about to release by the time RAM prices return to normal..