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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 44 minutes ago
[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 hours ago

Winter solstice sacrifice mythology reminds me of Hogfather (1996) by Terry Pratchett about a fantasy world's equivalent to Santa Claus who also wore red and white (blood on the snow) and was associated with gift giving/sacrifice:

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… Images ribboned across her senses—wet fur, sweat, pine, soot, iced air, the tang of damp ash, pig…manure, her governess mind hastily corrected. There was blood…and the taste of…beans? It was all images without words. Almost…animal.

“But none of this is right! Everyone knows he’s a jolly old fat man who hands out presents to kids!” she said aloud.

“Is. Is. Not was. You know how it is,” said the raven.

“Do I?”

“It’s like, you know, industrial retraining,” said the bird. “Even gods have to move with the times, am I right? He was probably quite different thousands of years ago. Stands to reason. No one wore stockings, for one thing.” He scratched at his beak.

“Yersss,” he continued expansively, “he was probably just your basic winter demi-urge. You know…blood on the snow, making the sun come up. Starts off with animal sacrifice, y’know, hunt some big hairy animal to death, that kind of stuff. You know there’s some people up on the Ramtops who kill a wren at Hogswatch and walk around from house to house singing about it? With a whack-fol-oh-diddle-dildo. Very folkloric, very myffic.”

“A wren? Why?”

“I dunno. Maybe someone said, hey, how’d you like to hunt this evil bastard of an eagle with his big sharp beak and great ripping talons, sort of thing, or how about instead you hunt this wren, which is basically about the size of a pea and goes “twit”? Go on, you choose. Anyway, then later on it sinks to the level of religion and then they start this business where some poor bugger finds a special bean in his tucker, oho, everyone says, you’re king, mate, and he thinks “This is a bit of all right” only they don’t say it wouldn’t be a good idea to start any long books, ’cos next thing he’s legging it over the snow with a dozen other buggers chasing him with holy sickles so’s the earth’ll come to life again and all this snow’ll go away. Very, you know…ethnic. Then some bright spark thought, hey, looks like that damn sun comes up anyway, so how come we’re giving those druids all this free grub? Next thing you know, there’s a job vacancy. That’s the thing about gods. They’ll always find a way to, you know…hang on.”

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 71 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

The Whocifixion after he was betrayed by Whodas.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 27 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Spoilers!

I haven't seen Passion of the Who? yet.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, you'll love it. The part where they visit his whomb and find it empty... 🤌

[–] Ininewcrow@piefed.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

The Papawho, the Who son and the Wholy Spirit.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Whodas

New phone, Whodas?

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's called the Whodat because that's what everyone asks after it has maimed your corpse beyond recognition.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 hours ago

I assume it was Christmas like Narnia Christmas; not quite the same holiday.

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Crazy concept that Christmas has to be a religious holiday… not in my house.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

But it's literally a holiday started by Christians (by using pagan holidays to make converting the population easier).

Christmas wouldn't exist for you to celebrate in a non-religious way if it wasn't a religious holiday first.

[–] Zorg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Bullshit.
Take Christ out of Christmas and you get Yule. A far older tradition, with a big feast, gifts & offerings, yule-trees, lots of candles (or bonfires and torches or whatever), probably getting drunk, and a lot of hygge/cozy good times.
All the Christianity stuff in Christmas is just layered on top of the glorious solstice celebrations. The only thing I'd miss if I were to strip any Christian stuff from Christmas, is a couple banger Xmas songs & hymns.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 53 minutes ago

You get Yule, another religious holiday.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Mate, even the AI slop from Google gets that right:

Christmas originated as a Christian holiday celebrating Jesus' birth but was strategically placed on December 25th by early Church leaders to coincide with and transform existing pagan winter solstice festivals, like the Roman Saturnalia and Sol Invictus, absorbing traditions like feasting, greenery (holly, mistletoe), and gift-giving to attract converts and give them new spiritual meaning, making it a blend of ancient winter solstice customs and Christian theology.

They made everyone call it Christmas, but the holiday was there before that.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 12 points 6 hours ago

That quote doesn't disagree with anything I said.

You wouldn't be able to celebrate Christmas without the Christians forcing everyone to call it that. You'd be celebrating a holiday with a different name.

If the characters in the movie call it Christmas, then a whoville Christ had to exist.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz -1 points 7 hours ago

So what you're saying is that despite what we've heard Jesus is Not the reason for the season.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

They put him in the sneech machine.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 18 points 10 hours ago

Maybe through convergent evolution the pagan solstice celebrations just turned into Christmas. Yay, pagan Whos!

[–] snappy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago

I had to scroll way too far to find this. You’re doing the Lord’s work.

[–] kboos1@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What if Jesus was never crucified and instead cursed Judas into being the Grinch's ancestor and the Who's are Jesus' descendants and that's why the Grinch hates Christmas so much. The movie is just about the descendants of both bloodlines learning to forgive each other.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 52 minutes ago

Wouldn't that mean all Whos are inbred by now?

[–] omega_x3@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

His name was Horton. Christmas is the day they sing as loud as they can in rememberance of the day a kangeroo almost threw their whole world into boiling water.

[–] SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Why would a who crucify a person wouldn't they crucify whos?

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Ininewcrow@piefed.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

Don't know ... but who's on third?

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Ugh, Christ, not this again.

[–] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Is Grinch his name, his job or his passion?

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

A quiet Who baby, All laid in the hay. A little Who manger, Forever our hope.

[–] Hazmatastic@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

They didn't just have a Jesus, they went through at least paganism and Judeochristianity all the way to secular Christmas, and that's if they created that in a vacuum. How many untold millenia of who religions, cults, and pantheons were there? How many wars, crusades, martyrs, and victims have the Whos wrought? Where is the Whovian lore? Is it just a Who-flavored version of our history? Did they have a Whogustus Caesar? Wholliam Shakespeare? Saddam Whossein?

[–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Don’t forget about Who 9/11. And you just know that shit was zany AF.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The Cat In The Hat's Zany Antics Can't Melt Steel Beams