Programs are like socks, once they get dirty, you change them. Do these people really not understand how this stuff works? Even giants can fall when enough people switch to other options
this post was submitted on 16 Dec 2025
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Oh ya? Where u gonna go? Chrome?
Hell no. For now just gonna switch to some firefox fork that won't include the AI.
That was meant as a sarcasm. Point is there are nonalternatives
Jumping to the dingy tied to the sinking ship.
Thus the "for now"
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I was hopeful for thundermail.
Not any more, seeing that.
But why? Be unique! Don't just do what everyone else does!
Given what Microsoft is smoking these days, no AI would be a selling point, and Mozilla does not seem to realize they are playing with fire. Their userbase chose their product instead of using the system defaults of Chrome, Safari, and Internet Exploder. Their users, just like Lemmy, are tech-litrrate and more socially concious than the masses. If an alternative or fork appears, with sufficent support, and Mozilla does not put the breaks on their AI train, were all just going to jump ship. We do it every time a new OS is installed, there is no Firefox loyalty, only lesser evils.
It's hard to imagine being so butthurt at a piece of now-defunct, 20-year-old software that you pretend it still is the default just so you can call it a dumb name.
I was in the trenches for that nonsense fixing stuff daily because of them. Oracles wacky tacky shit that kept their users locked to Java 7.21 for a decade past the support date. Bloated language packs and not being able to keep up with basic HTML tags... You dont know how good yall have it today.
I dont care how much MS dresses up Edge, we know its just Chrome in a poorly fitted suit. The old addage still holds true, Microsofts default browser (formerly IE, currently Edge) is the best browser to use to go download another browser.
[This concludes grumpy old tech speech]
Who is this a signal for though? They could silently add the AI features and rally their base on aspects people actually like. It's almost like Firefox doesn't want to succeed
CEOs have this massive psychosis, they really believe everyone wants this bullshit. I have a theory that it's because they were always surrounded by yesmen, and simultaneously they hate people, so for them the LLM is the best thing ever, all the constant agreeing and affirmation with no pesky humanity, and they can't believe there is anyone who don't want that.
Why do they keep going all in on AI when no one wants it?
Google threatens to rip their funding if they don't advocate for AI
Overpaid CEO has more money than actual sense.
Mozilla is completely detached from its user base. They think their average user is a Microsoft enthusiast when in reality it's a Debian enjoyer.
They have telemetry to track the number of installations on different systems
And most debian user disable telemetry. Their numbers probably show its all windows folk heavily using AI because its the default.
I guess I should turn the telemetry on so they'd see I'm using it on linux. Muh privacy
CEO = bad
every. single. time.
That's what all CEOs do. Double down on AI.
Of course, this is just what Firefox needs ~~fixing long standing issues, catching up to web standards, process isolation on mobile~~ AI!
You either die Old Mozilla or you live to see yourself become Current Mozilla.
AIMOZILLA, brought to you by the GOOGLE foundation, who also owns chrome
AIMOZILLA
Sounds like a kaiju with a sniper rifle.
“What I’ve seen with AI is an erosion of trust.”
Mozilla is not going to train its own giant LLM anytime soon. But there’s still an AI Mode coming to Firefox next year, which Enzor-DeMeo says will offer users their choice of model and product, all in a browser they can understand and from a company they can trust. “We’re not incentivized to push one model or the other,” he says. “So we’re going to try to go to market with multiple models.” Some will be open-source models available to anyone.
This is such an out of touch non-answer here.
People don’t oppose ai changes because they’re locked into a model. In fact most AI products I use for my job let you choose a fucking model.
People hate them because
A) 90% of the time they’re useless and the remaining 10 are detrimental to the product experience
B) Ethical concerns about training off of artists and authors as well as environmental impact. EDIT: or also the general trend of trying to replace humans with AI.
C) Not wanting to play into the fucking arms race the billionaire class are manufacturing
D) The time they could be useful they have a risk of being either hilariously wrong or dangerously wrong. And there’s no amount of training and GPU manufacturing that’s gonna fix that.
Absolutely none of this is addressed by the CEO. I’m sure he has to say this because of the fucking tulip crazy money is in around this but it doesn’t make it any less tone deaf or futile.
Is there like a petition or something we can all sign to show that literally no cunt wants this?
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Is it possible for the major forks to just go their own way, or is it more complicated than that? Obviously anyone building a new browser engine from the ground up now with complete HTML, CSS and JavaScript spec is so immense an undertaking as to sound far-fetched, so the open source community would need to leverage whatever it can.
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