In 2016, the blue team won by 3 million votes and still lost the election. The system is broken. I'll still vote blue, but I don't think it will matter, especially since I'm not in a swing state.
this post was submitted on 18 May 2024
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Matters for your more local elections. Those swing states still send a lot of republicans to Congress every election. And control of Congress is pretty damn important.
Hmmm, today i will attack any attempts to run a better candidate against trump
The US system doesn’t work that way. You have a choice between two people. A vote for a third party is a vote not counted.
You're so engrossed in talking over the other person that you failed to read what they said.
They said "Run a better candidate against" Trump which IS possible to do by the DNC.
Not in this election, it's far too late
The convention absolutely can select a different candidate.
I love that you lot complain that it's not REAL democracy because the DNC is so sneaky behind the scenes, and then in the same breath demand that the DNC undemocratically appoint someone as their candidate who appeals to you and your fellows, voters be damned.
And you wonder why everyone thinks of you as fascists.
It's the duty of the party to nominate an electable candidate is it not? They had a farce of a primary this year, so the only hope left is a hail mary out of the convention.
It’s the duty of the party to nominate an electable candidate is it not?
Oh, so now you DON'T care about democracy in the party. How convenient, how your ideals change depending on which allows you to scream "BOTH SIDES" the loudest.
Democracy in the party flew the coop when we didn't have a real primary this year. Having a single candidate is not democracy. It's a rubber stamp oligarchy.
Democracy in the party flew the coop when we didn’t have a real primary this year.
Just like democracy was destroyed in 2012 when there wasn't a real primary for Obama. I guess we've just been drifting in a sea of fascism ever since.
It certainly wasn't a good thing.
Why wasn't democracy destroyed then? C'mon, show a little consistency! Go ahead, it's not like anyone is falling for the "Very Concerned And Democratic Voter" at this point. It's quite clear that you don't give a single good goddamn about democracy except insofar as it allows you to undermine anyone who isn't a fascist. Like how you decried the DNC for not being democratic enough and then immediately pivoted to claiming the DNC should disregard the voters entirely.
I never said democracy as a whole was destroyed. I said the party is looking for people to rubber stamp it's oligarchs. If you want to be dismissive that's fine but at least keep up.
OP does not know what a tankie is.
An authoritarian self-proclaimed 'leftist' who loudly decries anything that's not 100% in-line with their desires as 'shitlib' policy that must be opposed even at the cost of ushering in actual fascism. This actual fascism is also often described by tankies as 'not that bad' or 'the exact same' as the 'shitlib' policies they oppose. Dissenters are inevitably reactionaries who must be (often literally) crushed, as they don't reflect the TRUE will of the people (ie whatever the opinion of the tankie is).
And then they ask "wHy dO tHe dEms mOvE tO tHe CenTrE wHeN tHeY lOsE i dOn'T uNdErsTanD".
SURELY the DNC will listen if they don't vote, don't run, and don't donate, but post a genocide Joe meme from their phone also made available by genocide while wearing clothes manufactured by a genocidal state on land acquired from an ethnic cleansing. That's the morally upstanding thing to do.
Oh wow now they're Trump supporters and Communists? LMAO
This is getting ridiculous.
You're absolutely right, it IS ridiculous how many supposedly left-leaning people are willing and even eager to see a Trump presidency to 'get one over on the shitlibs'.
Reductive. Neoliberalism protects and foments fascism as we ratchet a little further to the right each election cycle.
Even if we assume for the sake of the argument that your ridiculous assertion is true, "Let's do fascism faster" is exactly the kind of bootlicking take I would expect from a tankie.
Never said I was a tankie bruh. A party that bases itself on a slightly more gentle fascism isn't the cart we should be attaching ourselves to.
It will never ever be the right election for y'all liberal centrists who shit post on left folks. It is always the next one. Point is, if we want to be rid of this fucking fascist shit, we have to build solidarity with the left.
Not interested in the whole yelling at each other thing, so genuinely asking here. What exactly does not voting democrat get the left in the US? Is the OP's assumption that you want to accelerate fascism actually correct?
So far I haven't seen any reason other than either accelerationism or "because it makes me feel bad" and I refuse to believe that's all that's behind it.
I'm really having a hard time, and I genuinely think it's important to try to understand the points of view and beliefs of those we disagree with, rather than immediately turning to infighting.
Political parties exist in the free market just like corporations. If they can't earn votes a new party will form. It's happened before and it will happen again. That's why they message with fear. It's effective at turning off any critical thinking.
Political parties exist in the free market just like corporations.
Tell me more about the political free market under Project 2025.
In fact, tell me more about how quickly firms rise and fall in the free market. It's instantaneous, right?
Sometimes it is. Sometimes you have to push it off the cliff.
Sometimes it is.
lmao
Shifts the policies of the Democratic party so that they appeal to leftists. Not going to get into an ongoing debate, but just so you can't say you haven't seen any other reasons (which sounds fake to me but okay).
I appreciate it. I'm not here to debate you and I have no reason to lie about not having seen anything else, though I'm honestly a bit hurt that you think that, but I guess you've been nothing but attacked so far so perhaps it's understandable.
Could you give exactly one example of that ever happening?
Hey, remember when we all protest voted in 2016 and drove the Dem party SO far left?
Never said I was a tankie bruh.
Didn't realize that I wasn't allowed to point out tankie behavior like "Faster fascism Good, Actually" unless the poster self-identified, thank you for the information.
Idealism is fun, but it's so very extremely privileged.
Idealism is great when you use it to fight for a better world.
Idealism is privileged when you use it to deny any reduction in harm as not being 'good enough' to permit.
Idealism is privileged when you use it to deny any reduction in harm as not being 'good enough' to permit.
It’s happens all the time when people argue against veganism saying that farming kills the animals in the field despite the fact that meat requires much more crop land to produce.