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To be fair, that still may be end to end encrypted, just not the ends you were hoping for.
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Enshittification
Something that starts as shit is distinctly not enshittified. It's just shit. Don't muddy the term.
shittification.
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I don’t know what is more stupid, that this exists or that it’s $600 plus $7/month.
Yes.
toilet. camera.
ummm… no thanks
Don't forget there's a monthly sub too! You can pay every month to have an AI train on your shit.
It already does, just that it's shit I say
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Exposed port 31337.
Shut up and take my upvote..
I like how they refer to BO as a administration tool when really it was an exploit tool that had the side effect of some nifty administration ability,
It was significantly more reliable than sub7, which usually was itself infected.
TFW you spend $600 a month on a subscription iot toilet camera just to find out it's been taking pictures from inside your toilet and sending them over the internet!
Why do people want a toilet cam in the first place?
Cancer and stuff
Like....butt stuff?
Sometimes I do, but nothing crazy, just a pinky or whatever.
Urine and stool samples can indicate a person’s health and evaluate some conditions, such as over/underhydration or a lack of fiber. If there’s blood in the urine, a picture could allow a doctor to evaluate whether it’s a UTI or a kidney stone.
I’d even say it’s a scenario where machine learning could be used to train a computer to recognize many of those scenarios and offer suggestions to improve one’s health.
Is that worth $600 and a subscription fee when you could learn to recognize those things yourself and take a picture for your doctor if it’s needed? Maybe if you’ve got money to burn.
It you have that much blood in urine or feces, you are in bad shape.
I just post my turds on insta for free assessment by close friends.
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https is end to end
surely, once I read this article, I'll find they implemented ssl
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as I suspected, Kohler is one of the ends of the e2ee. and it is implemented. what is the news here exactly
Https is the transit. End to end encrypted means it's encrypted before, during, and after transit. Ie the data at rest would/should be encrypted
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That's not what end to end encryption means. All encrypted transmissions are not end to end encrypted.
if Kohler is the other end of your transmission, and the data is encrypted til they decrypt it, it's e2ee. if you disagree, try explaining why.
Because that's plainly not what end to end encrypted means. That's just HTTPS.
if Kohler is the other end of your transmission
They're providing the service. End to end encryption maintains an encrypted communication channel between two clients that the service provider cannot decrypt.
By your definition, all HTTPS traffic would be end to end encrypted.
The term "end to end encryption" is just not applicable to this context and using it as marketting to users in order to give them a false sense of security is disingenous.
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WTF?
What we're looking for is "zero-knowledge storage". If it's anything else we can just ignore the whole "encryption" marketing. That's because claiming "end-to-end encryption" is still semantically valid if it's transit only and they are the other end.
Doesn't end to end also mean at rest?
But at rest still doesn't matter as they'll own the key unless it's zero knowledge like you said.
it does not. end to end encryption and point to point encryption are two ways of delivering an encrypted message to a destination. a point to point encrypted message has a message and header that are decrypted by every node in the network to determine where to route it next. an end to end encrypted message has its header and body encrypted separately such that only the sender and recipient see the body, but the nodes can read the header for routing. encrytion at rest just means that the message, once saved to disk, is encrypted
End-to-end means a path from point A to point B.
End-to-end encryption could definitely include at rest encryption, but only as part of the path that isn't one of the ends. An example would be where a service like WhatsApp stores your message until it can be delivered to the other contact. End-to-end includes "zero knowledge storage" in this example because WhatsApp can not view your message. You are one end and your contact is the other end. The data is stored encrypted at rest (going trough their servers) because their server is neither end. This is literally why end-to-end encryption exists.
In the case of the smart toilet storage, you are not both ends. Instead you are one end and the storage provider is the other end. The transit is still end-to-end encrypted but it does not imply "zero knowledge storage". They use the term end-to-end encryption because they transfer the data to their servers without people being able to intercept it. And that's semantically correct.
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What if it was AI to AI encrypted, huh?
What could they possibly tell me about my health by visually inspecting my shit? I see the website mentions detecting blood, but pretty sure I can do that too...
The colour can say a lot of different things than just showing blood in your stool.
Also, if you have red blood in your toilet after shitting, it's probably a popped hemorrhoid, but if your shit is black and tarry, that's digested blood, could be from an upper GI-bleed.
If your shit is orange/yellowish and floaty, youre clearly not absorbing fat correctly for some reason.
There's all sorts of things you can tell from shit. I've actually logged hundreds of photos of shit to an e-mail address (because I want to store them but not in my phone's gallery).
I'm waiting on going to a good gastroenterologist hopefully.
But idk if I'd trust an ai analysing them, but proper doctors should be able to.
Edit here https://gutscharity.org.uk/advice-and-information/poo-torial/
The size, shape, consistency, color are all telling of something going on.
Tie that in with tracking changes in diet and can learn a lot.
Tracking what you eat in detail is still a bitch though.
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Would you consider spending $600 plus $7/month for this? (Assuming it was actually secure not like this one)
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Wait... this is a thing? I never thought someone would actually make this when it's been the butt of many gags in the media.
This is straight from The Onion
Crazy it took this much scrolling for me to see a reference to Smart Pipe
When the Man-in-the-middle hacks into it, he may not like what he sees.
I'm shocked. Absolutely shocked, I tell you.
I too am shocked at this obvious betrayal of water closet privacy. That nobody and I mean nobody could have seen coming.
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