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The comments here on this Lemmy post can serve as a perfect demonstration for the reason behind men turning right-wing. Any comment trying to point out some specific aspect of life where men are experiencing more hardships is immediately shut off and getting told these experiences and concerns are invalid.
There is a limit to how much "fuck you" one can hear before going "well, fuck you too".
There's an art to diplomacy, and sometimes it involves omitting truths or carefully framing it, even when dealing with awful people, and compromising or postponing grand strategic goals for short-term gains.
I feel like many young men are being alienated by people pissed off with the status quo that fail at or refuse to engage with them diplomatically. I get it, I don't want to compromise or negotiate on basic human rights and dignity either. I don't want to wait for things to get better. I don't want to coddle the sensitive pride of chauvinistic dickheads.
But reactionary grift thrives on the (negative) reaction to being told your way of life, your habits, your norms are bad and wrong, and particularly to the (exaggerated) impression that you are bad and wrong for reasons beyond you control (like being born with a dick) or that you are irrelevant.
We need to find a way to communicate issues more diplomatically and include these men in the conversation and solution rather than making them "the other".
And we also need to reign in the hardcore misandrists who genuinely do want to turn this into us vs. them.
I thought of sharing my experience but people here were already shouting "you are lying or exaggerating" to anybody who shared their experience opposing the narrative, So I didn't bother, I reach out to some communities when I feel down or hopeless but don't expect any support,I know I am not entitled to help but gaslighting that your suffering doesn't matter or are not real sometime hurts, I'm just trying to find ways to deal with them alone.
Sure is weird how none of my boys have issues dating and maintaining relationships.
It's almost like these right-wing "children" were raised poorly, and by the same people that scream and cry when they hear the phrase "it takes a village".
Thank you for proving his point
His point is shit. If they are on the right wing they naturally dont find women who are interested in them. The only one to blame is themselves but since right wingers are incapable of this they blame everyone else.
No wonder they are trying to suppress women's ability to vote again. I'm fairly certain women outnumber men just given by a statistical outcome of X vs Y chromosome at birth. I'm not certain but there's probably a statistical study somewhere out there that a left leaving woman married to a right leaning man will vote right due to proximity. I've seen the former example in real life many times over sadly.
You boys better start getting real into fucking each other
The joke is on the right-wing men. Good luck finding female partners. Also, the best time to be a left leaning progressive guy.
I mean I'm on the left and even I'm getting tired of hearing how all men are trash, which seems to be the only message about men I hear. Young men are only being courted by the right, and the left doesn't seem to care or even seems proud about it.
That's because you're relentlessly being propagandized by corporate social media, and falling for exactly what they want you to fall for.
Turn that shit off. You don't need it & you're happier without it.
I love men. Men are awesome <3
I've never in my entire life heard a single person say that all men are trash. I think you're either lying or exaggerating, and you haven't either.
Pointing out that some men do horrible things is a common observation. Asking that men stop other men from doing bad things is another thing that could sounds burdensome. I can see how these types of statements might upset you if you're missing the context or the speaker is unclear. But neither of them is equivalent to saying that all men are trash.
I didn't have that experience, therefore you are lieing.
Wonder why men are turning away
Where the hell are you hearing this? Genuinely, i have not encounteted this perspective for years now, so the fact you consider it the only perspective on the left feels crazy
Look at society, look as tv ads, look at movies, look at tv shows. Who's always the moron dad? Who's always the asshole villain? Who's always a perfect girl boss putting the guy in his place?
When have you seen a recent female action lead that wasn't just a Marry Sue owning her male counterpart? Who are the GOOD male, masculine role models?
Women objectified in movies? How dare you! Men being objectives and haha funny!
I know it might seem silly to you and petty, but young man are constantly being put down and being told to shut up.
Meanwhile it's still cool / funny to make fun of men being raped in prison. Men even voicing concerns about the fact that they are losing out are being told suck it up, you've had a good run!
I just feel like liberals and modern culture has completely abandoned catering to men. Again that doesn't mean supporting rapists like Trump, but does mean having real, masculine, capable, heroic men that young boys and men can look up to.
Frankly, I haven't been hearing it so much as I have been experiencing it.
Well, "where" is still the salient question there.
probably a lot of genz showed a signicant shift towards right wing , most likely has to do with right wing pundits, like j peterson, joe roegans, TPUSA,,,etc.
Let me remind you that they are simply left to sink or swim in a survival situation where the world seems to want them dead.
My own mind goes to eugenicy places when I realize what world we live on.
I was left on the street for dead at 17.
Radicalized me to the left, not the right, but of course I was that age during occupy wall st.
It's the goddamn right wing influencers, and parents not supporting thier young adult children while they've already had unrestricted internet acess since they were little. "The world wants them dead" the world wants me dead too.
It's hard to understand for me, the boys in my family were always allowed more freedom, more choice, less responsibility. Three generations it was like that. The mother's love their son's, hate their daughters. The father's teach thier son's, and rape thier daughters, and love no one, not even themselves.
Three generations of that in my family. It's so hard to empathize, "the world wants them dead". Better dead than you father's slave, trust. That's why I hit the street.
As a man I would genuinely like to thank women for holding the torch of progressivism.
This means that left-leaning men will raise happier families, while the incel-aligned will have their own bloodlines end in deserved extinction. 🎉
Young boys are exposed to near constant right wing internet programming and are increasingly attacking girls in school, verbally and physically, starting as early as elementary school.
Combine that with largely apathetic and inattentive parents + very few male teachers and school is becoming an absolute nightmare for everybody
This essentially reflects the rise in incel school shooters except these young men just grow up to become bitter right wing misogynistic bigots instead. They have nowhere to go but right
the incel thing is such a self fulfilling prophecy - they embrace it then can't imagine why women recoil from them. so they further radicalize.
nice job conservatives, you really fucked up an entire generation
its a negative feedback loop. J peterson, and joe roegan, shapiro achieve that by negative reinforcement.
I like how the maga women are leaving their maga husbands even in White House it’s like yeah…just wearing an maga hat doesnt make you as alpha as you thought bro. On that note I wish Steve miller gets swallowed by his top lip one day.
in r/teacher sub, the hs students are doing that, specificaly the male students have become more disrespectful towards female teachers.