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In late October, Elon Musk released a Wikipedia alternative, with pages written by his AI chatbot Grok. Unlike its nearly quarter-century-old namesake, Musk said Grokipedia would strip out the “woke” from Wikipedia, which he previously described as an “extension of legacy media propaganda.” But while Musk’s Grokipedia, in his eyes, is propaganda-free, it seems to have a proclivity toward right-wing hagiography.

Take Grokipedia’s entry on Adolf Hitler. Until earlier this month, the entry read, “Adolf Hitler was the Austrian-born Führer of Germany from 1933 to 1945.” That phrase has been edited to “Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician and dictator,” but Grok still refers to Hitler by his honorific one clause later, writing that Hitler served as “Führer und Reichskanzler from August 1934 until his suicide in 1945.” NBC News also pointed out that the page on Hitler goes on for some 13,000 words before the first mention of the Holocaust.

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[–] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

What's the difference between this garbage and Conservapedia?

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 4 points 7 hours ago

Conservapedia is worse, remarkably.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 9 points 10 hours ago

this one's written by AI! how exciting and transformative! world changing!

[–] IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Thanks for reminding me to leave a donation on Wikipedia, seriously if we lose Wikipedia we are fucked.

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 hours ago

Your money is better spent on archive.org

[–] softwarist@programming.dev 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago

Yet ... They probably don't need donations yet!

[–] Zink@programming.dev 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

So the space obsessed man-child generated his own stupid encyclopedia, and for this generous all-giving knowledge resource he chooses a stylized BLACK HOLE for the logo.

It feels like the nerd equivalent to that quote about how the anti-semite arguing in bad faith enjoys seeing others frustrated by their hypocrisy. Here lemme just find that pasta...

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

Jean-Paul Sartre

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago

hes actually sex-obsessed with breeder fetish, the space thing is a cover for this.

[–] lefthandeddude@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Musk is clearly a Nazi.

First, there's the Nazi salute. There's no reason to do that unless you are a Nazi.

Second, Nazis called Hitler my Furer, and he's rewriting it this way specifically for this reason. It is an honorific title and he's showing honor to Hitler.

Third, Musk deflects from accusations he's a Nazi ("that's a crazy thing to say") but he never responds by saying "What Hitler did was horrible and I'm not a Nazi and detest their ideology" which is what someone would say if not a Nazi.

The scary thing about this is Musk will soon control a large robot army. At that point, he could appoint white supremacists to lead the robot army and pick up where Hitler left off. This is a real threat for Jewish people as well as other minorities.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

A robot army that will all self drive!!

Elon is so smart, bet there is some 6D Polytopia behind his plummeting (-50% in Europe) tesla sales.

[–] patatahooligan@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Third, Musk deflects from accusations he’s a Nazi (“that’s a crazy thing to say”) but he never responds by saying “What Hitler did was horrible and I’m not a Nazi and detest their ideology” which is what someone would say if not a Nazi.

This is the most important point, IMO. Fascists who want mainstream acceptance know not to have swastika tattoos and not to openly say they love Hitler. They will always try to have some plausible deniability. Don't get dragged into their bullshit arguments. There's no point in debating whether the nazi salute was some other motion that was misinterpreted. Even if it was, the first thing a non-nazi would do would be to clarify that they are not a nazi and don't want nazis to think they're their allies. Even if Musk had completely inadvertently stumbled upon the love and support of the nazis via a series of misunderstandings (lol), at this point in time he is deliberately choosing to be part of them.

Here is Musk at 3:08:01 saying he's not a nazi... and then going on to say you're not a nazi unless you're literally invading Poland and doing the holocaust. That is literally the only objectionable thing about the nazis. Not their "fashion sense or mannerisms". Yes that was a direct quote. There is really only one type of person that would not mention as objectionable the nazi ideology or all the acts of violence that are not at the same scale as the holocaust.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

"I'm not a Nazi, I just like the esthetics of someone else's blood on my black uniform"

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[–] T156@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I don't think he is one, not really.

I think he wants to be one, but isn't one himself, which is perhaps sadder.

[–] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

He's just an edgelord. He thinks he's funny and edgy and everyone wants to be his friend. Inside he's a scared little boy who wants his daddy to love him but his daddy is a nazi who hates him.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 25 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

do you know that you can an edglord doing nazi shit? a nazi. no matter the motivation, he's still a nazi.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

Just when that bastard would eventually get his comeuppance?

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago

Grokipedia would strip out the “woke” from Wikipedia

So are they removing the pages on Insomnia?

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Simply put, Leon Hitler is a shitbag neo-Nazi.

[–] Hule@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

I'm really not an American but Leon Skum sounds funny..

[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

What a chode.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 169 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The man can literally afford to have a legal harem island, fund an entertainment company to create anything to amuse him, AND solve world hunger simultaneously...and he just fawns over Hitler.

His wealth is truly wasted.

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Apparently owning the libs, snorting ketamine to the point of pissing yourself and dick jokes are more important than anything you mentioned.

Also Donald Trump needs a lot of money. The other tech dickheads bending over backwards are not enough.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

Most of the world's wealth is wasted under capitalism.

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago

He enjoys the smell of his own farts and believes other people will as well.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 44 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Man calls unbiased site biased, releases biased site to replace unbiased site.

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 99 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (27 children)

I mean the whole stupid Grokipedia thing is a shit show that will never take off, but Fuhrer is just "leader" in German. In it's used context for Hitler it straight up means dictator and (iirc) only came into full on use after the plebiscite giving him full dictatorial power after Hindenburg's death in 1934 (edit: He was already the Reich's Chancellor and merged in Hindenburg's powers with the vote to make himself full dictator / Fuhrer).

I'd welcome input from a German national - Is the word still used there?

[–] klay1@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

German here: you can use "Führer" only with specific other context. There could be for example "Gruppenführer" -> the leader of a group. Or "Anführer" -> could be the elder of a tribe. If you clearly use it in a neutral context, no problem.

But if you use it just like that, it will immediately raise concern if you really meant to say it this way.

[–] Devial@discuss.online 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Führer might only mean leader in Germany, but it's rarely used outside of refering to Hitler nowadays.

Leader, in modern German, would be translated as "Anführer", not "Führer" specifically because of the connotations. Also, using the term fuhrer in English, instead of translating as leader, clearly means it's being used as a title, rather than a factual descriptor of what he was.

You can use Führer in context, but as it's a title that was specifically created by and for Hitler, and never used before or since, it's generally not used as a title for him, because people don't want to give him the post mortem respect of addressing him by this title.

And for context, the entire German language Wikipedia entry of Hitler, calls Hitler Führer a total of 17 times. 8 of those are in direct quotes, 3 in indirect quotes, 2 of them are describing his official title "Führer und Reichsanzler" (outside of quotes only, to prevent double counting), 2 use the literal meaning of "leader" in the context of the party, NOT his title as dictator, 2 of them are talking about how he saw himself, and one is drawing a linguistic analogous link between "Führer" and "Geführten" (Leader and Followers).

Outside of quotes, there is not a single use of the term "Der Führer" as an actual honorific title ("The Führer") for Hitler in the entire German language Wikipedia page (which is 30-40k words long).

[–] dukemirage@lemmy.world 142 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Führer is not just „leader“, it is tainted and using it as a substitute for Hitler in a factual text is super weird, like casually calling Jesus in his Wikipedia article „our lord and savior“ now and then.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That’s the official turd Reich history. If we don’t win this will be what children will learn in the Shitler youth soon.

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the page on Hitler goes on for some 13,000 words before the first mention of the Holocaust.

i dunno, that seems a bigger problem to me than recognizing hitler's title was der fuhrer.

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