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This is why all the articles telling me to use paper straws feel like nothing but propaganda to me now. Stop telling me and the other poor people this shit is on us. All the recycling, cleanup and conservation i do in my life will be undone in one day by a billionaire. You want to lower emissions, start making heads roll

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

damn, good efficiency for them considering they're about a billion times richer than me

my gasses per dollar are way higher! the problem is obviously with people like me

1% and .1% are also drastically different.

A quick search told me the "poorest person" in the top 1% in the U.S. would have a net worth around 13.7 million.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, you're probably spending somewhat over two dollars per day on your survival, so unless they're ALL blowing through half-a-billion dollars every year, their pollution-per-dollar is also greater than your's

[–] badmancrooks@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

I keep saying that the simple math is that it's about 8 billion of us vs about 2000 of them.

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

And that was 2022 guys. Feels like different era.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who is the average person? Is it the global average person? Is it the average American? I mean as an Australian I am responsible for far more emissions than the average Papuan.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The worst countries for energy use per capita are mostly middle-eastern oil and gas producers, and places that are very cold and energy producers (Iceland, Norway, Canada), and for some reason Singapore and Trinidad and Tobago.

If you look at just fossil fuel use per capita the picture is slightly different. Iceland drops way down the list. They use a lot of energy, but it's mostly geothermal and hydroelectric. After the middle east, Singapore and Trinidad and Tobago it's USA and Canada at the top. Canada is basically USA with cold winters. Then it's South Korea, Russia, Australia, etc.

I think what they mean in this case is "the average person", i.e. divide all the CO2 produced by 8.2 billion. Since half of those people live in massive poverty and have virtually no carbon footprint, the per-person number is much less than any Australian, Canadian, American, etc.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, i think separating billionaires from the rest goes some way to making working and middle class people feel like that we've done our bit. By that, I mean it may as well be a billionaire compared to some one in extreme poverty.

On a side note, I wonder if those maritime countries pay a penalty for all the fossil fueled powered shipping they need. Also Singapore is a major oil refiner which might be affecting them.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I was thinking that maybe this has to do with "flag of convenience" status. If a Singapore-flagged ship burns massive amounts of fossil fuels but the owners are Australian and the crew is Filipino, does the country of Singapore get the CO2 bill?

But, the list of biggest flag of convenience countries does (sort of) include Singapore, but not Trinidad and Tobago. And, if shipping mattered you'd think Liberia would be higher on the CO2 per capita list.

As for making people feel like we've done our bit. Yeah, I don't fly around the world in a private jet. Or, like some billionaires, fly around with 2 private jets, the second one on standby in case there's an issue with the first one. I just don't think that's a good excuse for not examining how I live. There are hundreds of millions of people like me, and only about 3000 billionaires in the world.

[–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why? Don’t they use cardboard straws for their frappes?

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Listen. These people are a cancer, and they need to be fully removed from society. They are literally killing us.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Then let's pressurize them and sequester them in a cave under the New Mexico scrubland.

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