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[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Kinda makes me even more glad I've been migrating all my stuff over to AV1/OPUS.

[–] FG_3479@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Make sure to use "disable phase inversion" for Opus if you want good quality in mono. I'm suprised this isn't set by default.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

You know what? Good.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 24 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

does dell/hp have to pay annual license fees in perpetuity for systems they sell????

[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

H.265 (HEVC) is not a free (as in freedom) codec, so yes. You as an individual consumer can use things like Handbrake to encode H.265 video for your personal use, probably using the free x265 software encoder, but in order for a device like your phone, camera, TV, laptop, etc. to have hardware accelerated encoding or decoding, the manufacturer has to pay a licensing fee.

This is true of lots of proprietary technologies. HDMI is another one. In order for a device to ship with an HDMI port (as opposed to Displayport), the manufacturer has to pay a per-device licensing fee.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 3 points 57 minutes ago

To be fair, I think it is okay to ask for a one-time fee for something you've developed. You want to use this $tech that I made? Sure, pay me 10 ct for every device you put it in.

[–] greenbelt@lemy.lol 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Do they also need to pay for VGA or DVI?

[–] SynAcker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

I'm not sure about those.. But I do know what they don't have to pay extra for is DisplayPort which is far superior to Hdmi.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes this is absolutely ridiculous.

This is also a good reason to avoid proprietary codecs. H.265 may be a great codec, but the licensing fees are basically a tax on the world.

The best solution would be an overall switch to AV1. But silicon support for that is not nearly as widespread.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago

Yeah that’s going to change fucking fast. My game streaming service I build from older parts to cut costs has 1 shiney modern part because of AV1. Just AV1. Nothing else influenced the purchase of that part.

And there is no way a big company made that part just for me.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Let me get this straight - people buy a product advertised as having a feature, containing a part also advertised as having that feature, and then they disable it after purchase?

How is that legal?

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago

No, they disable it before purchase, existing laptops still have the feature. Only the newer ones so they won't have to pay the royalties from next year. But still an anti consumer move as nobody will notice until it's too late for a refund. Normal people will never understand why their $200 phone can smoothly play h265 videos while their $1500 laptop is struggling with that. Everyone will assume that because hardware support is included in the cheapest processors from even a decade ago, it will still be present in the latest and greatest laptops from hp

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans have no consumer protections.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Why would they when capitalists are more important than the consumers.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

Line must go up, even if it’s a lie.

[–] commander@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago

Dumb of HP and Dell to not eat the cost. Just in the future never support VVC. HEVC is well enough a thing already. Push defaults to be AV1 and then in like 5-7 years, AV2. I use AV1 for everything I can. Computer supports it. My phone does not but edits I do on my PC will be encoded to AV1. Photos, support JPEG-XL but in the interim, AVIF. Screw apple for going with HEIC. I highly doubt that there will be a successor to UHD Blu-Rays to adopt VVC. No big reason to jump to 8k. Only good would be higher bitrates/better compression and audio.

Films are mostly recorded digitally with 4k-6k cameras or a limited amount of 35mm still going on that scans well to around 4k. 8K digital cinema cameras are becoming more common but the 4k-6k ones are dominant and 70mm is expensive and uncommon. Plus significant digital effects are prevalent on even low action movies, non-sci-fi. Those are still going to have been mostly done and mastered for 4k. Another round of remastering required for 8k content where digital or 70mm film masters exists. Dinosaur broadcasters may choose VVC the shrinking world population watching dinosaur broadcasters. AV1 is increasingly the present and AV2 will be the future. VVC will be end of line because of short sighted greed

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So the hardware is capable, but refuses to work until someone pays for the licensing cost. Yay capitalism bringing innovation!

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

It’s interesting how the tone of innovation changes. It starts out like “hey, I can do that better than my competitors!” and that’s all fine, doing something better creating market demand and cash influx. But eventually, the innovation looks for shortcuts… enshitification is the word. Cheaper parts, smaller quantities, subscriptions to hardware you buy but never own… There’s a shift from product/service innovation as means to financial growth to purely financially incentivized innovation.

It reminds me of Marx’s idea that concentration of capital naturally leads to the prominence of financial markets, an indicator of a capitalist economy reaching its “advanced” / crisis-prone phase. The similarity being: there’s an economic shift from industrial investment as means to financial growth to purely financial investment.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Is that a hardware or software issue? I.e. is it caused by the windows driver for these laptops' graphic units?

Does HEVC work with the Linux drivers on these machines?

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

No, it’s a licensing issue. H.265 hardware support requires an ongoing license. And HP+Dell don’t want to continue paying licensing fees for PCs they have already sold. So they’re telling customers “get fucked, use a media player with software decoding instead of using hardware acceleration directly in your browser.”

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

What is your source for it needing constant renewal?

This is for new hardware sales only, not existing.?

[–] jim3692@discuss.online 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This doesn't answer the Linux part of the question.

What does "licensing issue" means for the laptop itself? Is HEVC disabled at BIOS/firmware level, or it is just disabled at Windows driver level?

In the latter case, HEVC should work with Linux, as it uses generic Intel/AMD drivers, instead of specific Dell/HP ones.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It's enabled at the hardware level only if the hevc license is paid, usually by the OEM (such as dell or hp).

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago (10 children)

i use x265 for EVERYTHING. i had no clue about this.

fuck.

webm? lol

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

webm is a container, not a codec

Even if you hit that blocker, you can still software-decode with [alternative] software.

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

i clearly need to educate myself

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Did you do it yet

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[–] ftbd@feddit.org 17 points 1 day ago

How is this done? Can you just re-enable the feature in the BIOS? And what about machines sold outside the US?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't for a second believe this is about the rising cost. It raised by $0.04. Someone below said that works out to a savings of $600,000.

Alright, but for an individual, it's $0.04.

Just increase the final price by $0.25. You made back your $600,000. Plus whatever $0.21 would equate to as GAINS.

Fuck guys. You suck at business. This is what happens when companies replace their CEO with AI.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The real key is buried in the middle, where they say hardware decode capabilities are going to be restricted to models with discrete GPUs... Meaning they can make a $500 upsell mandatory for the most basic of capabilities.

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