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Per the title. If an animal dies out in nature without any human involvement, shouldn't it be considered vegan to harvest any of the useful parts from it (not nessicarily meat, think hide), since there was no human-caused suffering involved?

Similarly, is driving a car not vegan because of the roadkill issue?

Especially curious to hear a perspective from any practicing moral vegans.

Also: I am not vegan. That's why I'm asking. I'm not planning on eating roadkill thank you. Just suggesting the existence of animal-based vegan leather.

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[–] toebert@piefed.social 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not vegan myself but I had asked a similar enough question to a vegan friend a while ago and liked his answer:

He said for him it's 2 parts, 1 is that while the animal that died may not have been harmed by humans, the ecosystem that relies on scavenging carcasses will be hurt if humans effectively start removing their entire food source (same way we have driven species to extinction by hunting).

The 2nd part is that with humans everything with even the tiniest loop hole will get abused.. Imagine that we say this is okay. Today it may be the odd naturally deceased animal, in a month it'll start including animals "killed accidentally", in a year it'll be someone farming animals with some weird way of culling them so they can claim it's still natural causes by some twisted logic.. at the end of it we'd just not be able to trust any of it anyway so it's easier to not even entertain the thought - the energy to figure it all out would be better spent on improving alternatives.

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[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it would depend who you ask. I consider myself vegan and would have no major issue with someone using roadkill for parts. I mean, I would find it disgusting and could never myself, but if they want to and still call themselves vegan, I see no problem with it as the harm has already been done to the animal. Seems the same as harvesting bones from the forest - what's dead is dead.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Seems the same as harvesting bones from the forest

Umm... Wut? Why are you being a bone harvester, what do you need them for??

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Whatever I want.

If you die in the woods I will find you.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Lots of people like to use things like antlers or skulls as decorations

[–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago
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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

You can do pretty much whatever you want man...

Like "vegan" isn't even a century old yet, it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren't good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to.

You can just keep using his word, but not care about his rules.

Or you can make up your own name and rules.

People searching for labels they like and then conforming to every fucking aspect of that label and nothing else, doesn't work out well.

So please, if you want to eat roadkill just do it.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Like "vegan" isn't even a century old yet, it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren't good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to.

[citation needed]

[–] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Chozo@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The concept is much older than the word we use today.

One of the earliest known vegans was the Arab poet al-Ma'arri, famous for his poem "I No Longer Steal From Nature". (c. 973 – c. 1057).

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago

They call themselves freegans

[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

From my end, I'm a registered organ donor because I feel that I won't need this body once I'm done with it, and if anything is useful off it for someone else, then hell, let them have my liver.

However, an animal can't consent to that and yeah, an argument could be made that who gives a fuck, it's a pig/chicken/cow, it's not gonna give a shit, but death is unfortunate for anything and I'd feel more at ease that the carcus is either left for nature to do what it does than me harvesting it for food.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It is going to be eaten no matter what. The chance of it being eaten is essentially 100%. So i can't see how that's part of the equation.

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From a materialist point of view, I can't see any harm in harvesting the hide of an already dead animal. However, wearing a real fur coat and calling yourself a vegan is never going to be an easy thing to explain lmao

[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I had a teacher in high school ask me to bring him a deer if I ever hit one on my way to school.

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[–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago

A see the issue as more about habit formation and incentives, rather than the act in isolation being a problem. Those that come to rely on animal products from roadkill will inevitably turn to more conventional methods when roadkill is not available since they have become habituated to using animal products (although this is likely worse with more regular habits like meat eating).
Additionally, if this method became widespread enough, there would be an incentive to increase the amount of roadkill (or at best, not decrease it) when in reality roadkill itself is a failure of transport design and land use.

[–] allo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have the same repulsive reaction to eating the body of a someone, of any species, as you probably do to eating insects or humans or literal fecal balls of steaming dung.

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