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Defence secretary reveals details of recent incursions as he warns UK is facing ‘new era of threat’ from hostile countries

A Russian spy ship has entered British waters and shone lasers at military pilots, the defence secretary has said, as he warned the UK was facing a “new era of threat” from hostile countries.

John Healey told reporters on Wednesday the “deeply dangerous” move was being taken “extremely seriously” by the government, adding the UK would continue monitoring the ship and had “military options ready” should the vessel change course.

He said the surveillance ship had crossed in and out of the UK’s exclusive economic zone multiple times in recent weeks, not for the first time this year.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

A Russian spy ship has entered British waters and shone lasers at military pilots,

Then have itnpqy a visit to bikini bottom. Lasers can permanently blind people, if call that a direct military assault and an act of war

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

They've been going tit-for-tat with flyovers and sail-bys for a while.

For the same reason Russians aren't in a hurry to shoot down an RAF aircraft, Brits don't really want to start a shooting war over some Russians with laser pointers.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

If they don't cut it out with the lasers, I'm getting my slingshot.

[–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 27 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The ship entered the Brtitish Economic Zone. Which is still international territory.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

This is a bit like when someone claims China has entered Taiwanese airspace, while neglecting to report that Taiwan claims airspace over mainland China.

Part of Taiwan’s air defense identification zone actually extends over the Chinese mainland, but Chinese flights are challenged by Taiwan only if they cross the median line – the halfway point between the island and the mainland above the Taiwan Strait.

Click-bait journalists love to print headlines that take advantage of their audience's naive understanding of international law and gullibility when it comes to claims of foreign countries doing sinister things. In fairness to the Brits, anyone familiar with Russian media gets fed a similar deluge of "NATO is going to attack us at any moment!" scare pieces.

Great for ratcheting tension, driving up military recruitment, and galvenizing the public to hate anyone suspected of foreign origin or sympathies. Not particularly useful when informing the public of safety concerns.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 hours ago

Russian spy ship, go fuck yourself!

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 32 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Bomb the ship. Stop taking their shit. The fascist piece of shit only understands strength.

[–] Pika@rekabu.ru 12 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

As mentioned already, the ship was found in the British economic zone, not inside British borders. This means it was found in international waters, and bombing it is initiation of war.

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 22 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What if we just say that they're smuggling drugs?

[–] tirednapstablook@lemmings.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Wouldn't work since Russia has the mean to respond, unlike Venezuela.

[–] card797@champserver.net 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Shooting lasers is an act of war.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago

Lasers, Radio Waves, Weather Balloons, Passenger Aircraft - its all an act of war!

War War War! Start the bombing immediately, Sir Kier! If you don't, I'm going to vote for Reform and get Nigel Farage to do it!

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Someone should tell the Americans.

[–] modular950@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

but.. but... they started it with the lasers! >:(

/s but also not /s

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 25 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

How about we let them map all the internet cables, deploy drones over the airports and blow up some infrastructure instead?

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] card797@champserver.net 2 points 5 hours ago

That's the losing spirit!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Wait till you find out about Russian satellites and submarines.

[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 2 points 9 hours ago

unfortunate truth

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 20 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Serious question: why are politicians so weak? We know Russian agents are entering EU thorough Belarus and Hungary, starting fires, shutting down airports and now blowing up railways. Why EU can't simply shut down the borders and deny entry to anyone with Russian passport? There are supposed to be sanctions in place so the economic activity between EU and Russia/Belarus should be non-existent anyway (except gas/oil but this is not crossing the border in trucks). WTF?

[–] tirednapstablook@lemmings.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Most politicians only care about funneling as much money to their donors as possible.

They keep getting elected because most voters are stupid.

[–] oneser@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

My very lay-person understanding is that generally there is a level of shit each country accepts, e.g. election meddling, hacking or taking of political prisoners as it is part of the "standard affairs" - and will respond to non-forcefully. (Please don't see me as advocating or trying to downplay these activities, they are abhorrent).

In order to respond with force or war, a lot of prep needs to go in to make sure that the action will be supported by enough allies to both achieve the goal/s and deal with any possible fallout from retaliation.

I believe the EU and its allies sees that a war response to Russian meddling may bring in China more actively into the picture and the US may not come to back them up (unless China decide to re-take Taiwan). OR they see the long-term economic damage to Russia as significant enough to achieve long term regional impact.

Therefore, the EU may not be confident of opening up conflict unless forced to.

IMO Russia's actions in the EU are a clear test of the EU's boundaries and willingness to retaliate.

[–] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 3 points 7 hours ago

I feel like if China is gonna get involved it'll be to invade Siberia for the significant amount of oil resource that is available

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

One theory is putin is desperate to bait a nato attack he can spin as nato entering the ukraine war so he can retreat (or maybe escalate) while saving face.

Im not entirely convinced but its a solid enough theory

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 95 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

Two Canadian Air force pilots had to be medically discharged after a Russian ship caused permanent damage to their eyes with a laser a while back.

Fuck the Russians.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

why are these ships not immediately impounded and the crew arrested?

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Because our political classes are corporate-whore sociopaths, who possess zero leadership value beyond public speaking and rubber stamping the will of a borderless, lawless, criminally-corrupt oligarchy.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

They fear a "diplomatic incident" that could escalate, I guess.

But Russia is already escalating like there's no tomorrow; while I'm still against blowing them up, I do not understand why this ship isn't now under British control. Unless they shoot first of course. It is tricky, but that trickiness is nothing new anymore and Europe should have come up with a strategy by now.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

So just sink them.
Accidents happen.
Next please!

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 6 hours ago

Because warships — and bear with me now because this is quite the jargon — have weapons.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 30 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Oopsie gotta eject and where's that airframe going? Oh my directly at that unsuspecting Russian warship? What shame.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Tempting I'm sure, but they would be sitting ducks in the water after ejecting. Not something the pilots would consider worth risking.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The one thing you don't do is touch a us boat or a us pilot, if Russia did it would be on no questions asked.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The current president only likes service members who don't get captured.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

To be fair mc Cain is a liar loser with a over hyped story that ignores the major details that make it entirely his fault he was captured.

Still a shitty thing to say but you won't ever find me standing up for McCain.

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[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 21 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

What a bunch of fucking trolls. Same goes with China.

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[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 27 points 15 hours ago

blow those fucking drunks out of the water.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 38 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I wonder what would happen if people started just using water-dropping aircraft to dump tons of water on them. Maybe escalate to some type of really stanky water. Over and over and over and over again.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 29 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

So water from the Thames then, yes.

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