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The U.S. has signalled to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine must accept a U.S.-drafted framework to end the war with Russia that proposes Kyiv giving up territory and some weapons, two people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Archived version: https://archive.is/20251119165732/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-proposals-end-russias-war-involve-ukraine-giving-up-land-some-weapons-sources-2025-11-19/#selection-1273.27-1273.271


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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 hours ago

It better have some provisions on what happens if Russia decides to "expand" at some point in the future

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 14 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I say, fuck Russia, and fuck the US.

What the fuck.

You're with the enemy now?

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What's the realistic alternative here? At this point it's quite delusional to think Ukraine is going to get back the lost territories - they're not. You don't have to like that, but that's how it is.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Let's also be realistic and recognize that no agreement with Russia, backed by America is worth a single shit.

Russia didn't honour the last no-invasion for nukes deal. They won't honour the next. The US doesn't honour anything anymore. They are a bad faith actor with no law, courts or congress and can't even be counted on to act in its own best interest.

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 42 minutes ago

There's zero value in saying let's not do X because of Y and Z while not suggesting what to do instead. You're basically rooting for the status quo here, which is death and destruction.

[–] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Now ? What rock you been under ?

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Indeed, all the Orange cares for is how to praise Putin and make deals with him. Meanwhile is happy to profit from selling weapons to Ukraine.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

he has epstein files on trump. EPstein has been known to advise PUTIN on TRUMp in 2018, how to handle him. on many occasions after a meeting with putin, TRUMP looks visibly shook.

[–] huppakee@piefed.social 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I am so glad there are some influencial Europeans trying to keep him from choosing Putins side. If everbody would've let Trump do whatever he wanted we'd all be learning Russian right now.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Don't hold your breath in EU, though. We bend our knees quickly. It's just fear that makes us sick with Ukraine.

[–] huppakee@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Totally true, and lot of bad forces within the EU too. But also good forces, who try to keep Trump on our side. They fail from time to time, but without US weapons Ukraine would have had a lot more casualties. But I am not blind and know there could have been a lot more supplies. If Europe helped more, there would have been a lot less casualties. I didn't mean to write a 'eu good, us bad'-type of comment.