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The U.S. has signalled to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine must accept a U.S.-drafted framework to end the war with Russia that proposes Kyiv giving up territory and some weapons, two people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Archived version: https://archive.is/20251119165732/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-proposals-end-russias-war-involve-ukraine-giving-up-land-some-weapons-sources-2025-11-19/#selection-1273.27-1273.271


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[–] huppakee@piefed.social 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I am so glad there are some influencial Europeans trying to keep him from choosing Putins side. If everbody would've let Trump do whatever he wanted we'd all be learning Russian right now.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Don't hold your breath in EU, though. We bend our knees quickly. It's just fear that makes us sick with Ukraine.

[–] huppakee@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Totally true, and lot of bad forces within the EU too. But also good forces, who try to keep Trump on our side. They fail from time to time, but without US weapons Ukraine would have had a lot more casualties. But I am not blind and know there could have been a lot more supplies. If Europe helped more, there would have been a lot less casualties. I didn't mean to write a 'eu good, us bad'-type of comment.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 1 points 44 minutes ago

Lots of bad forces within the EU directly funded and aided by Russia. THIS is the big point. Everyone thinks the shit that started happening in the EU for the past three decades or so is completely organic and that our democracies are intact.

They've been under systematic assault by the Russians as part of their stated god damned plans. All of these right wing extremists and right wing governments have had some Russian special sauce fed to them.