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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Im so glad she has no idea what Mexicans or latinos are. We would have gotten “Jose frijoles” a Mexican wizard with a moustache and hat who throws a spanish word into every sentence.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

If she wrote a South East Asian she probably would name it Coolieboy Sambal. Who is an errand boy of one of teachers who tries to tame the boy and make him less “savage”

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I don't know if I'm laughing art JKR's racism or at that funny racist sketch.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

It’s ok to laugh at satire of racists 👍

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[–] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ok I know I shouldnt have, but that did make me chuckle.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There's no "shouldn't have" here. We can laugh at these things. This was a joke about how badly JKR writes foreigners, not a joke about the race it depicts.

There are good and bad jokes about racial stereotypes. Are we making fun of Mexicans or are we making fun of racist peoples' stereotypes about Mexicans? I'd argue this joke was the latter.

[–] Cruel@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

There's no way you people would think she's racist if she wasn't transphobic.

She was very accepting of Hermione being cast as a black girl. Seamus was just used as comedic relief in the movies, much moreso than in the books, with his magical mistakes causing explosions being primarily when he was a kid. He was loyal and high achieving character.

Meanwhile, the blonde character who uses the offense slur "mudblood" is the childhood villain for most the books. Yet she is racist for this somehow too, I imagine.

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

she had a reputation for racial stereotyping even before she went mask-off as a terf, decades back. like naming the one Asian character Cho Chang (sounds like ching chang chong; both names are from different Asian countries), naming the one Black character Kingsley Shacklebolt (King from MLK, shackle from slavery), naming the Jewish character Anthony Goldstein, naming an Irish character Seamus Finnegan...

...it's not that she was necessarily super racist, she just used very stereotypical/over the top names for her characters. so I don't hate her for being racist, I hate her for being transphobic.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And to be fair, not all of those are equally bad. Seamus Finnagan and Anthony Goldstein could very well be real people. The other two are so much worse, especially now that you've made me realise the slavery connection.

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

About Cho Chang though, she actually looked up the meanings and choose Cho because it meant butterfly. I've never really associated that character's name as a play on the racist stereotype, being Oriental myself. I've just associated it with general western ignorance.

As abhorrent as she is now, she was a queer ally but just didn't understand trans, like many people around her age and demographic. She reacted to the massive backlash and drove herself into the weeds.

She's horrible now and deserves all the hate but know that she's a result of our own making. I think if any new people express a misunderstanding, it's far better to make a bridge to correct that misunderstanding. It takes a lot on our part, trans and trans allies, but I'd rather make a friend out of a fool than a foolish enemy.

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I think there's a lot of truth to what you're saying, though there's a little more to the story. for reasons I don't understand, the UK specifically has always been terfier than other Western countries. more lgb-friendly, but historically anti-trans. MumsNet was full of terfs with very similar demographics to Rowling years before trans awareness hit the spotlight.

I think we did a poor job educating potential allies and making a case for ourselves, in a way that got weaponized against us, but terf ideology is as old as Janice Raymond and second-wave feminism. I'm not sure Rowling specifically would have ever been on board.

There’s no way you people would think she’s racist

That's mainly because she was hyped up for so long and she didn't go all out, but it wasn't long until someone noticed the Gringot's bankers were Jewish Stereotypes and some of the names were a bit iffy. But I think it really was a "Little Britain" situation where we didn't get it until the second read through.

Also, in her books for adults, she's gone mask off, especially against Mixed Race people.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I find it amazing that she can be so fucking tone deaf.

Like, wasn't half of your entire best-selling series about equality/prejudice, you daft fucking terf? Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves and muggle-borns. Pretty sure that first antagonist we meet (aside from the Dudley's) is a poster-child for Hitler Youth.

[–] hypnicjerk@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves

no, the house elves loved being slaves and hermione was being hysterical for fighting for their rights.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Which is also amazing because she is simultaneously a target herself for being muggle-born. To the point that she had to erase herself from her own parents memories.

Meanwhile in the real world, bigotry is still common among oppressed groups. See also: racism in LGBT communities, self-hating Jews, Catholics/Protestants, close-the-border 1st and 2nd gen immigrants etc.

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[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago (3 children)

She's also derivative as hell, but children's lit doesn't get real deep reviews, and we were all too busy defending it from Christianity to really notice.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (8 children)
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[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 215 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (17 children)

Yeah, calling the only black dude Shacklebolt as well. The more you look the worse it gets.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 103 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Even the Irish kid gets worse in the books. Apart from making things explode, his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.

[–] paranoia@feddit.dk 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.

In fucking fairness half of your personal goals as an Irish teenager in the 90s and 2000s related to acquiring alcohol and getting drunk.

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[–] runner_g@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

As and American I'm also trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Jesus fucking Christ what? there was a character named shacklebolt???

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 68 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Kingsly Shacklebolt, i believe he was the personal assistant to the prime minister. His most famous quote: "dumbledores got style"

Not the only black character in harry potter btw

[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago

"Not the only black character in harry potter btw"

Yeah everyone forgets about Hermione

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[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 65 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh goodness, I never thought of that.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago (4 children)

And the bank goblins being Jewish caricatures

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[–] UltraBlack@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They see me (rowling), they hating. Trying to catch me writing dirty...

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago (17 children)

The Troubles was so long ago for me that the character quirk went over my head.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The films added the stereotypes. They made the goblins hooked nosed and added a Star of David decoration to the greengots bank floor.

It's not in the books but Rowling still had huge control over the film so retains responsibility.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 18 points 2 days ago (5 children)

That’s not a star of david, and it wasn’t added for the film. That’s the floor of the Freemasons Hall in London.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 2 days ago (6 children)

What's racist about it? I'm not racist enough to understand

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 109 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

To say the UK and Ireland have had explosive interactions in the past would be a bit of an understatement. There were spates of car bombings, shootings, and other forms of violence all along the border of Northern Ireland (Due to both sides believing Northern Island should be part of their nation).

Addendum: This was not a purely binary conflict. There were also those in Northern Ireland who did not align with either aggressor.

Rowling probably takes a more pro-UK stance, and therefore is comparing the Irish people to the IRA (Irish Republican Army) bombers.

The conflict(s) were part of a period known as The Troubles (Wiki page linked)

Disclaimer - I'm an American outsider with an interest in learning about history, so I may not have the most accurate summary of events from either side of the story. The Wikipedia article should summarize incidents much better.

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