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    I don't quite understand the criticism. It's not gonna be top of the line, but it's more than enough to replace my dying laptop from 2015 that I pretty much only ever use like a desktop anyway. And I can save myself the time and effort of picking parts, building, and dealing with shit not working as expected.

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    [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 17 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
    [–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago

    Yeah, but we know that Linux people would cheer and praise those games if Linux support was suddenly added

    Exactly. Another lemming made a fantastic quip to this effect, claiming that consoles and windows are performing "SCP level containment" for the rest of us. Let them have CoD.

    [–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

    COD is going to beg to be let onto the Steam marketplace.

    And it's gonna be great.

    [–] deathmetal27@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

    You don't use Linux because of kernel anti-cheats

    I don't play CoD because kernel anti-cheats

    We are not the same

    [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I genuinely do not understand the point of using kernel-level anticheats. They have been bypassed for nearly a decade now, you can buy cheats for any kernel-level anticheat game, battlefield 6 had hackers during the first betas, didn't even take more than a day to bypass it. The only thing they seem to be affecting is your player count and review ratings

    [–] Saryn@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

    Indeed. I chalk it up to the power of narratives and emotions. These are emotional decisions by managers who don't know what they're doing but salivate at the opportunity to limit someone's access to something for not paying them or for using something differently than how they'd like to after paying. You know, stupid s**t like kernel level anti cheat and denuvo.

    [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

    But if the cheats are at kernel level, how can any anti cheat compete without going full server authoritative?

    [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 15 hours ago

    I'm actually a believer in server-sided anticheats. The time feels right to really start developing machine-learning backed anticheats that basically analyize how you play. Look up VAC Live

    [–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

    It's always the fucking suits.

    But then they only manage to make dissident movements bigger.

    [–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    In all honesty, I think it might be overall better if games like Fortnite, CoD or Fifa never get patched for Linux. The vast majority of their players are just addicts who fell victim to the predatory mechanisms. One of the few effective solutions is to cut them off this stuff.

    Ideally, these games shouldn't exist, at least not in their current form. But it's not like billionaire sociopaths will stop feeding on the weak and poor anytime soon.

    [–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 hours ago

    The vast majority of their players are just addicts who fell victim to the predatory mechanisms.

    I don't play Fortnite, but the only players I know are kids, and they just play it because that's what everyone else is playing and they want to play with their friends. I'm not excusing the company for monetizing the shit out of it, but (anecdotally) the players' behaviour just reminds me of me and my friends playing Dooms, UTs, or Quakes back in the day.

    [–] DrWorm@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    Let's not forget the whole Counter-Strike economy is based on gambling, which I think is also not good, especially because there's a lot of young kids picking that up and becoming gambling addicts, which I think is a net negative for people.

    Edit: People make games did a deep dive on this, as did Coffeezilla did a series on the whole ecosystem.

    [–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

    Oh wow I haven't played since the original Source. I thought you were just talking about how you had to manage an equipment budget in a match. But no, legit gambling scheme with real time and money for what amounts to NFTs that can only be used within Steam's ecosystem.

    [–] tempest@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 hours ago

    Yeah, it's a bit of a black mark on valve however I imagine it prints a lot of money and they seem reticent to put an end to it.

    [–] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Remember when Linux was about freedom? If the OS lets me delete root recursively, it can also let me play slop. It's not my mom.

    [–] Delilah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

    Linux isn't stopping you from playing that slop, it's just to sloppy to work on Linux.

    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    That's the only thing I worry about personally, not the users so much, but the capitalists who see "opportunity" once Linux gains a hold, and start figuring out how to make it disgusting like everything else they touch with their greedy little slop mitts.

    It won't be "Well, Linux doesn't permit anticheat", it will be

    "Okay how do we create some centralized power structure that makes invasive DRM and anticheat that runs on Linux?"

    And they'll move to colonize.

    [–] tempest@lemmy.ca 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

    There are already anti cheat options on Linux. They just don't put any dev time into them because it's a small market currently.

    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 10 minutes ago

    EAC works fine enough, and it turns off when the game is off, and should uninstall with the game, so people don't hate it so much.

    But I dropped all interest in Helldivers 2 because of that crap, which sucks because it seemed like such a fun game. And I'm not touching anything Riot for the same reason. These "just trust us bro" always-on, deeply embedded rootkits are just unethical.

    That is too far even for taking school tests, it's indefensible and absolutely nonsense for a game.

    It's definitely something I can see both sides of though. It would suck to put a huge chunk of time and effort into a multiplayer game just to have cheaters ruin it for everyone on launch. Any game that isn't moderated or making effort to deter them gets overrun quickly.

    I don't understand the mentality that drives people to buy cheats just to feel better about themselves, but it's clearly there.

    TBH though...I don't remember stuff being this bad when private servers were more of a thing. Battlefield 2 / 2142 / 3 / 4 had ranked vs. unranked servers. The good private-run ones had mods to ban cheaters, the ranked ones had stricter enforcement. It seemed fine and we had fun...

    Maybe I'm missing something...

    [–] Funky_Beak@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago

    Embrace, Expand, Extinguish.

    [–] olenkoVD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

    While I don't like these games either, I think it would be better for them to support Linux, so all users can enjoy the games they want.

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    [–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

    Boycott the Call of Duty mines.

    [–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

    I am excited for the steam machine because of the anti cheat issue. If we push for linux gaming, they are forced to either find a ~~spyware~~ kernel anti cheat solution for linux or drop the ~~spyware~~ kernel anti cheat.

    [–] sleen@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

    This is the thing I agree with. This push will accelerate the advancement in gaming and other applications within computing. Compatibility will be priority across all types of hardware rather than restricted to corpoware. Additionally, efficiency would be increased rather than diminished with the pointless root access.

    Naive talk about about restricting games which most people find as favourite goes completely against the direction this scene should follow.

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    [–] Meron35@lemmy.world 120 points 2 days ago

    You can literally install windows on it if you want

    [–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    If it does not work on Linux I simply won't buy it.

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    [–] Darkness343@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

    They could sell it as a machine that protects your privacy and prevents any privacy invasive software from running in it

    [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

    I'm not sure that anyone who cares that much about COD has any level of overlap with PC gamers. Or really with any gamer, period. "Oh, no, I can't play the cod game this year. Womp womp." Said nobody over the age of 18, ever. They'll play the next one when it comes to steam machine. Lmao.

    Edit: key phrase "anyone that cares that much". Yes, everyone engages in hyperbole.

    [–] tehmics@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Lemmy users: no, it's everyone else who is out of touch

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    [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    My friends that play CoD only really play CoD, a few are trying BF6. They never play any games with me because my games are uninteresting. My game selection of infinity minus 1 is considered uninteresting compared to their game selection of 1. You got the age all wrong though, they are 20 to 50.

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    [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 141 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    been playing on linux for many many years.

    never once have I been stopped by kernal level anticheat.

    Weird, its almost as if good games don't use invasive spyware rootkits.

    [–] FatVegan@leminal.space 61 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    I feel like the steam machine could actually change the trajectory of gaming. I mean look at the playstation 5. It was crazy overhyped, they don't have any games, pay to play online, the next one is around the corner. The xbox is somehow even worse. If the steam machine sells, linux is gonna see an insane push and the game developers have to sink or swim.

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    [–] 1984@lemmy.today 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I will gladly give up a few games for running an amazing operating system instead of windows shit. :)

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    [–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 188 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

    I have to keep using the megacorporate OS because the other megacorporation won't let me play their slop game unless they can install a virus on my computer!

    [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 91 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    It's Activision-Blizzard. It's the same megacorporation

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    [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 58 points 2 days ago
    [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    The thing is this is a legitimate problem for the overall success of this. And the success of Linux as a general gaming OS. If people can't play their staples like CoD or fortnite or anything else with this problem, then that'll be enough to decide not to get this. Most people here probably don't care, but we're not the majority. And a lot of us probably aren't in the market for this anyway.

    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    This is the general sentiment I've been hearing, though surprisingly a lot of people belive that these games will eventually reach steam machine anyway because it seems stupid to them that it never happens.

    I didn't expect it, but a lot of Xbox players I know are considering saving up for the steam machine because it replaces their need for a console + PC for games, and they are aware that Xbox has been pretty open to putting their games on PC anyway. Some even considered Nintendo emulation which is defnitley something I didn't expect to see from Xbox only players.

    Halo Infinite and MCC run just fine on Linux. If they were comfortable letting their core IP on steam, it would be easy and probably beneficial for MSFT to do the same for CoD.

    I think the main holdout will be Epic Games, simply because they want to be a competitor to steam and they seem to hate the idea of giving valve any leverage in the gaming industry.

    [–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 69 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    I mean thats gonna be the joke. If steam machine really does take off, developers will come, just like they're starting to cater to the deck. It'll set a standard for what people want to play on and what they need to make sure their game works on. This is beyond anti cheat and DRM but it'll be interesting to see how the momentum picks up.

    I'd bet that Microsoft is already thinking about getting gamepass working on it (for better or worse)

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