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Pornography can be art (lemmynsfw.com)
submitted 5 days ago by IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world
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I was watching the Movie The Substance and that film was basically softcore porn with an interesting message to say, who's to say Porn can't be art?

Sure professional studios don't care, They just want to show you the goods and that's it, but even with such studios they sometimes put the effort in, I remember watching a scene of Nikki Benz with Brazzers where she popped off a champaigne and you could see it in slow mo and I thought "Wait, so y'all are capable of actually having interesting shots"

Porn can be art, It's just most directors are lazy.

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[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I think I agree, but I don't think it's that directors are lazy, they just lack the correct intentions.

For something to be art, it should make the audience think about it afterwards. Does it evoke any feelings? Is the artist trying to express an idea with the piece?

Typical pornography is made to get someone off and then they never have to think about it again. It's purely transactional. "Here is something attractive to look at while you jerk off. Please give me money and you can look at more"

But it doesn't have to be that way. There is no reason why you can't have work that has more substance.(heh) If you look at Japan, between pink films and eroge, they figured this out like 40 years ago.

[–] IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah completely agree, my dream would be to have genres as you do now (milf, pawg, petite, cheating) etc but with competent cinematography that is trying to say something. I mostly can't look at modern professional porn because I'm bored of all the still shots that were there decades before just with better color correction and 4K now I guess.

[–] hexdream@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

but is this art? Why yes, he is.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Isn't that a body-horror movie with Demi Moore? Is it good, should I watch it? (I mean for the plot, cinematography, horror... not porn crossover scenes)

[–] IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 5 days ago

Yeah you should, I loved the message of it. The cinematography is fine, to be fair I'm not that much into body-horror but go for it.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I liked a lot of Michael Ninn's work back in the day, like Catherine and Neo Pornographia. He definitely was trying to go for a more artistic thing. Looks like it's extremely hard to find now, and Ninn is now on an AI slop kick.

On the other side of things, Nyphomaniac was an artsy film bordering on pornography, IIRC.

[–] IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I see, I mean at least there's an artistic expression, you can argue that even in porn now people make fun of Mike Adriano but the dude at least has a style.

I would argue that even today you have options there's even a more feminist-ish version called Bellesa, point I'm trying to say with my post is that you could even make a Horror porno if you wanted, It's that there's no market for it.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 days ago

you could even make a Horror porno if you wanted,

That's Zombie Strippers, a movie that is far better than the premise would indicate. It has everything, Jenna Jameson, Robert Englund, and a retelling of the French play Rhinoceros.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

There's the famous Pirates porn movie; I think still the highest budget porn ever made. I remember a porn movie about a fire department that also seemed pretty high budget (Flashpoint, I think). Seems like most porn is clips now rather than full-features. I think porn with stories used to be a lot more common when you had to buy tapes or DVDs. There's a really old one I saw called The Devil in Miss Jones, which I guess could be considered horror. And another one from I think the 2000s called New Neighbors where some demons move in next door or something.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Pirates is pretty bad. None of the actors are particularly entertaining and the female lead (Jesse Jane) is terrible. The sex does not redeem anything. Barely worth the effort of tracking it down for the novelty. The costumes and sets are kinda fun though.

All that to say: throwing lots of money at something can make it shiny but doesn't necessarily improve it as "artistic expression."

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 days ago

I've seen what could be described as pornography in modern art museums, so I agree.

And I don't mean nudity, but a woman masturbating while listening to the building description of an art museum.

And yet when I masturbate as commentary to that piece of art, I get arrested!

[–] ICCrawler@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

I got to the predictable "Just a wait a little longer for me," part or whatever. Where she wants to stay out in her younger body longer than she should, which was inevitably going to happen. I just stopped there. I dunno what terrors she goes through after doing that, but I also just couldn't be bothered to care.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago

Op thinks slo mo shots of champagne makes something art?