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[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 109 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I'm German.

I used to be poor as fuck, didn't have a job, had lots of medical issues due to being very overweight, was depressed and dysfunctional, also a stoner on top of all that. That was basically how I lived from 2000 to 2009.

But the state paid my rent and gave me some money so I would at least not become homeless. And then, a guy at the "Jobcenter" said hey, wanna have a two-year state sponsored job training? It's 18k Euros, but the German state will pay for it. All you gotta do is see a doctor every month and have him certify to us that you're off drugs.

I said fuck yeah, let's do it. Last chance to get my life back on track.

Fast forward to today.. I'm married, have a well paid job as a software architect, earned enough money I could probably live independently for over two years, have a handsome ETF portfolio.

In America, I would have been fucked. If you're poor in Germany, there's always a way out if you just get your shit together.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

bUt mY tAxEs!!

[–] Tencho@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Heart warming. Are they this kind to immigrants? I've been thinking about heading that direction for a few years. People keep telling me EU is in decline. But they still seem nicer than the Americas

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

People are kind, a state can't be kind, it just is.

I'm sure Germans are generally kind of folks but by and large states do not extend social welfare benefits to non-citizens.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So the yanks don’t all move there haha

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I am not going to dump a load of bitterness on you. You are not the architect of our problems, but like.

You know some of us hate every minute of this and are powerless targets, right?

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yep, and you’re not the only ones.

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[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Well, I'm not quite sure which requirements there are for immigration to Germany, and which conditions there are on getting welfare once you got here. They obviously would like to avoid having people immigrating into the welfare system.

And of course, Germany isn't the land where milk and honey flow either, many people struggle too. I had a bit of luck for sure. But I very much feel Germany is a much more forgiving place to live. That's why I would never move to the US under any circumstances, even for a tripled paycheck.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Gratuliere, freut mich. Solche Geschichten hört man viel zu selten.

Nur den Mythos der Sozialschmarotzer der immer gerne genutzt wird.

[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Danke dir. Ich hatte natürlich sehr viel Glück, dass sie im Jahr 2008 gerade Geld im Topf für sowas hatten - und dass ich einiges an IT-Vorkenntnissen hatte. Sonst wäre der Jobcentertyp nicht auf die Idee gekommen, mir das zu bewilligen. Aber ich bin dem heute noch extremst dankbar für die Chance.

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[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago

I think this is slightly unfair. I think if we Americans work hard we probably still won't be able to afford basic necessities

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 73 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Don't forget be extremely lucky.

[–] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] guy@piefed.social 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Work 7 days a week, 18 hour a day, 27 days a month, 34 years of your life, additionally 38 years of your life, 51 weeks a year?

[–] AsoFiafia@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 days ago (6 children)

You’re only working 7 days a week and 18 hours a day? Rookie numbers.

I created an extra day and work 20 hours in each of em. No wonder you pansies can’t afford health insurance.

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[–] bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Or give up some years to the world's largest military.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Oh that's a terrible plan. Veterans are far more likely to end up poor than rich, and that doesn't include the ones who never come home.

[–] lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 53 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Reading this while working a shift that will put me at 85 hours of work this week. Will be able to buy groceries this month and pay for the surgery my cat needs. Also, am tired AF.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

See, now I have to know what’s wrong with the kitty.

[–] lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

Update, if anyone is interested. Kitty is ok, but things ended up being worse than the vet realized. Externally everything looked good except needing a cleaning and the vet thought maybe a tooth might need extracted, but when they did X-rays 4 of his teeth were being resorbed by his body and the roots were basically gone, so they needed to be pulled. Poor guy is doing good, very unhappy about his current life situation and will be medicated and in a cone for the next 2 weeks, but I'm glad it's taken care of and he's home.

[–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, will the kitty be OK?

(Also, all the best for you, I hope things change for the better real soon.)

[–] lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Kitty will be ok, thank you. Just needs teethies taken care of. If we're lucky not pulled, just anesthesia and deep cleaned, so not really surgery, but still expensive as hell. If not lucky, teeth pulled and painkillers, so more like surgery. He goes in tomorrow, both of us will be very unhappy.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

I prescribe extra wet food

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm sorry :( I hope your kitty will be okay. I have a $4K vet bill to pay too, but i love my cat, as I'm sure you do yours, so we make it work, no matter the sacrifice. Anyway, best of luck <3

[–] lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

Vet bills are the worst, but my cats don't have the option to do anything about their situation or choose to work different jobs or change things about their life so it feels wrong to decline medical care and potentially make them suffer when they don't get a say in the matter. I can make that choice for myself and my own medical care, but it feels cruel to make that choice for them, you know? They're stuck in whatever life I give them, so I try to make it better than mine.

I hope your cat is ok!

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I wish my ADHD and other issues would let me work 85 hours a MONTH with my toddler around all day every day. I'd be able to pay myself a very decent salary for the part of my country that I live in right now. If I could consistently work a reasonable 150 a month, I'd have the deep into 5 figures amounts of debt my ex put me into, paid off in 2 years. Worst part is, I used to be able to work over 200 a month easily, but I wore myself out like that and now that I'm an exhausted single parent, it's so, so hard to get anything done.

Best of luck to you and your kitty. It sucks that you need to work so much to be able to afford necessities.

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I've been in psych care (not anymore, as of a few days ago. go me amirite) for 30 years. I've paid nothing for it. On top of that, I've not worked for some of that time because disabled. The government paid me welfare for it. I feel bad for Americans, they would actually pay LESS if they adopted socialised healthcare

[–] sludgewife@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

yeah i know. thanks. how do i get the fuck out of here. alternatively, euthanize me cap'n.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

yeah its like. where is all this fentanyl im always hearing about?

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 19 points 6 days ago

The cops have cornered the supply.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago

It helps to be born to the right family in the right location.

[–] bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Hi, I've been traveling for 15 yearsish and it is an absolutely dynamite financial decision in terms of saving money and accruing capital. It costs about $500 usd per month (rent, utilities, wi-fi/data, groceries) to live in most countries.

If you're a fluent English speaker, you have a guaranteed job with nearly 2 billion English students looking to pay you $10 to $100 per hour for a skill you've been practicing your whole life.

If you want any info/details/context, ask here, the Travel community, or message me.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Your link is busted friend

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

But you’ll only be able to afford them in the limited time that you’re deemed useful and subservient by the ruling oligarch pedofile cabal.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago (4 children)

What is the actual baseline for american to at least afford a cheap house and live a just-ok life, assuming you're single? As in you can afford food, transport, and just tiny bit of saving? I've been hearing that it's bad, but not sure how bad it is.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago

I'm trying to think of different places I've lived, because the cost of housing / food / other changes. For example, when I lived out in the sticks, rent was cheap but food, gas, and incidentals were hella expensive. I'm near a big urban area now, and it's expensive rent, cheap gas (due to using less), moderate food, moderate incidentals.

Anyway, more relevantly, I know people who can get by with incomes of ~$18.00/hr full time jobs. Anything that is unexpected kills them though, whether it's car trouble, medical issues, or otherwise. You won't be in a house though, unless you're renting a room. You won't be in a rat-infested hole, but something like a one bedroom apartment or two bedroom with a roommate. I know of a few folks who are raising a family on that salary, with the caveat that family helped them with housing (either an inherited property or similar). This is in an area where you can find cheap housing due to natural disasters and generally 'rural' areas that are basically paying developers to build cheap housing (i.e., looks like it's decent but is basically matchsticks and glue).

I helped people budget when they were making $11.00/hr full time, and that's where you start seeing a lot of compromises made (it was also 10 years ago, so things have probably gotten worse). Kids and parents are stuffed into tiny rooms in bad apartments, a car is held together by tape and a prayer (and if anything happens it's going to be scrapped and they'll try to scrape by with a wreck they could get running, and then hope they never get seen by a cop for its numerous problems / lack of insurance/registration), and hopefully they'll be able to get a few government benefits to get the kids help for medical benefits.

I've worked with people making the federal minimum of $7.25/hr, and they rely on the government to have any hope of a not-horrible life. They're either in government housing, or in a trailer with 5 people living in it. The car is shared between several people; they walk to work, even if it sucks and is an hour+walk, because they'll be fired in an instant if they don't show up; they're probably on food stamps, utility help,etc.; medical is basically call ems and get to an emergency room if they're keeling over (and hope that the er can fix it, i.e., that it's not something that just gets 'stabilized'); bills are always piling up... it wasn't pleasant.

So, all that being said, I'd peg it somewhere around $25.00/hr. That's where my higher paid coworkers seem to start looking at houses, and talk about starting families. I'll have to go look at the numbers (and we know that those are probably fucked due to the administration right now...) but I think that's near or above median income in america. That would mean 50% of the population isn't going to be living "just ok," which really sucks to think about.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

But only if the billionaires and politicians agree... Duh.

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