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Still haven't surpassed PS1, PS2, PS3, or PS4 sales.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles
I think it is because it launched without that many games and honestly sure there was improvement, but not as much as the jump from PS2 to PS3, or PS3 to PS4.
I think it has surpassed all those consoles at this point in their life cycles. Or at least it did, maybe it is sliding in that metric.
I don't think it really is a success at least not a success in sony's eyes an I hope they have a plan on what to do about the excess ps5s after it got the final nail in the coffin.
My partner got a ps5 at launch to play the new final fantasy game. He played through it and it's pretty much been collecting dust ever since. We still use the ps4 as a TV box (Netflix plex etc) I seem to remember every time we wanted to attempt using it the ps5 wanted to update for hours, and then the update finishes and the friggin controller wants updating now. Back to the ps4 for TV, back to the pc for gaems
I was going to get a PS5 since Steam Deck is finally running out of steam for games I actually care about. (And after the hassle a friend building his PC had, desktops scare me)
But then Valve announced Gabecube anyway, so the only reason I'd want one is for maybe reselling physical games after beating them. And I already have a Switch 2 to do that with.
Which games are you struggling with on the Deck?
What kind of issues did your friend have building a PC? It's a rather straightforward process, really. You can make mistakes, of course, but if you prepare your build carefully, maybe get a second or third opinion from people with experience and knowledge, read a tutorial or two, then few things can really go wrong. I'm willing to help with the selection of components and some tips on the building process, if you want (I've been building PCs for decades, if that counts).
I get the appeal of the "Gabecube" (I hope this name sticks) for you though, but keep in mind that it is a relatively limited system in terms of power, quite a bit below current-gen consoles by current estimates and especially limited by its relatively small amount of VRAM. It should be able to play every Linux-compatible game for now (the most demanding at low settings only), but sooner or later, the limited GPU (which can not be upgraded, unlike on a normal PC), will result in games just not running well enough or not even booting, similar to certain newer games on the Deck. It is considerably more powerful than the Deck though.
It really depends on the price whether or not it's a good low-end gaming PC. Hardware prices are not exactly ideal at the moment (RAM is the current sticking point, but GPUs aren't cheap either), so if the Deck manages to be more affordable than a comparable budget build - kind of like the base-model Steam Deck has been a very impressive value proposition - it might be worth it.
Now is not a good time for PC building, AI made both RAM and SSD expensive.
New steam machine is better
The breaking point was Expedition 33, which even with optimization mods I can't get to stable 30fps in combat, which breaks at least one skill and seems to mess with parries. PS4 games at 60fps would be nice too though, Elden Ring is ~50 at ok settings.
My friend's problem was picking out parts, which was harder for him since besides playing STALKER 2 he wanted to potentially render videos in the future. The friends we asked also gave split opinions for things like futureproofing - apparently some Ram setups are harder to upgrade than others, or are related to picking PUs? Same with power supply, etc.
Also, I have a pretty tiny room. I have a TV for consoles that's there to stay, and shelves 13x13x13 inches below it the SM would fit in, while a desktop would have to be SFF (which, I only learned about now) or a small tower but I'm not sure about ventilation then. Without SteamOS it seems I'd need a keyboard/mouse out for every boot too. The desk always has a budget laptop for work on it, so among other crap there's little space for a desktop. No space below/besides desk either.
I'm also not knowledgable about specs, but I figured when, say, Borderlands 4 is not playable at 4K 60fps, then I could just deal with Full HD 30-40fps, which would be enough. Or if I decide to stream to Deck, not even Full HD.
Edit: The closest solution is PS5 Pro or PS6 when it comes out (and they fit on shelf, never checked size) but, no Steam library then. Or mods, emulation. All in all, it seems I'm in an extremely specific situation where buying SM seems optimal.
Expedition 33
I haven't tried this game on the Deck yet, so I can't confirm these work, but have you looked at how other people have achieved 30 fps on protondb?
https://www.protondb.com/app/1903340?device=steamDeck
Another option would be to lower difficulty, if you haven't already. IIRC, the parry window is much wider on easy.
The friends we asked also gave split opinions
Classic too many cooks problem. Best stick to one person who seems like they know what they are talking about. Don't look at me, I'm just pretending. ;)
but I’m not sure about ventilation then
The more, the merrier. Map out a clear path for the air to travel through the device, from the least hot to the hottest component and out again. Larger fans are quieter at the same amount of air moved than smaller ones. Cable management gets more important the smaller the case is, so make sure to pick a modular power supply and tuck everything that can be tucked away neatly out of sight and out of the way of the airflow.
Without SteamOS it seems I’d need a keyboard/mouse out for every boot too.
You can configure Steam to immediately launch in Big Picture mode on any operating system it supports. There are many ways of achieving this, but here's a simple script for Windows:
https://github.com/jazir555/GamesDows
For couch PC gaming, I would also recommend getting one of 
(I have amassed several over the years, for some reason).
I’m also not knowledgable about specs, but I figured when, say, Borderlands 4 is not playable at 4K 60fps, then I could just deal with Full HD 30-40fps, which would be enough.
I would recommend waiting until it's out and people have thoroughly tested it. Within a few days of it reaching the hands of customers, there should be plenty of videos, articles and forum reports on how well it performs with all sorts of games, including particularly demanding ones like Borderlands 4. Digital Foundry are the best address for this kind of performance analysis.
The closest solution is PS5 Pro or PS6 when it comes out (and they fit on shelf, never checked size)
The PS5 (Pro or not) is absolutely humongous. I would be surprised if the PS6 ends up being any smaller. It'll probably fit onto your shelf, but not in it.
but, no Steam library then. Or mods, emulation. All in all, it seems I’m in an extremely specific situation where buying SM seems optimal.
Looks like it. This computer will undoubtedly be an emulation powerhouse, just like the Deck. If the price is right and if it doesn't have any teething issues at launch (which I doubt, given how mature the Deck was right away), then it might just be the ideal PC for you. If it's pricier than expected for the performance, then you might want to return to me and we can discuss a SFF build as an alternative, if you want.
One thing I would recommend is buying the base model and upgrading storage yourself, since this is likely where Valve will charge more than what it would cost to perform the upgrade yourself. There are no other spec differences between the models and it's likely that they'll sell the base model close to cost, like the Deck. Based on what I've seen, upgrading storage should be trivially easy, far easier than on the Deck.
Booted up E33 and it does pull stable 30 now, but last time I was fighting a boss with pretty cinematic attacks. I didn't have tearing on though and I'm still not sure if resolution needs to be set to low manually for upscaling, I did it now to be sure like someone suggested. Maybe it was also the constant speeding up and slowing down of attacks that messed with perception. A few UI bugs happen still. Don't worry, the difficulty is fine.
Reading all this and looking up Steam Boot ups does make me consider my own setup, true, but I'd just at most end up with a stronger and upgradable (and probably pricier) Steam Machine anyway. And if I only upgrade every 4-5 years or so, like I have up to this point, I might be starting from scratch anyways. (Had a gaming laptop around 2010, then budget laptop at 2020 that couldn't play PS4 games well anyway, then Steam Deck at around 2022)
I don't think there is really any games and also mod support is basically nonexistent on consoles.
There are games, but few exclusives (just 18 the last time I checked). If you want to play modern games and don't want a PC, it's fine for that, without really being special in any way. It is a difficult value proposition for owners of the previous gen, since the jump in visual fidelity is much smaller than between prior generations (an inevitability that isn't Sony's fault) and since the previous generation is still being at least partially supported and was strongly supported for a very long time. However, over time, most have clearly made the jump and with the release of GTA VI (timed exclusive for PS), the system will see another significant boost.
Mods are not really a factor on consoles. Very few console gamers care about them. Xbox has slightly better support with fewer restrictions, but there are only a handful of games with support (mainly Bethesda RPGs). It clearly hasn't helped the competition from Redmond.
It's because of this:
https://www.vgchartz.com/article/465289/ps5-vs-ps4-sales-comparison-june-2025/
Align PS4 and PS5 sales to their launch date, and you'll see that the PS5 has been lagging behind. Not by a lot, but it's noticeable. This is despite the fact that The Xbox Series X/S is doing a bit worse than the Xbox One, and the One did a lot worse than the 360. Nintendo, of course, is in another room doing its own thing.
Sony expected every generation to sell better than the last. The market has clearly hit a saturation point, so that expectation is no longer valid. Combine that with the fact that Moore's Law (originally defined as the price per integrated component dropping) is completely dead. That means you can no longer expect better hardware to get cheaper. You might be able to find fabs that can give you more performance, but it'll cost you.
This is why the GabeCube is a good idea from a business persepctive. It will likely have better performance than the Xbox Series X/S, but not as good as the PS5. What it can do is be affordable with good enough hardware. The specs appear to be a bit Frankenstein, which is what you'd expect if Valve grabbed whatever deals on things they could find to put something together.
I got a PS5 shortly after launch which was a chore; I subscribed to a discord group to get notified about new store drops so I could find one at MSRP to avoid scalpers. The only exclusive I played through was the Demon Souls remaster. Ive played other games on it too but they are all cross-platform and I could've played them on my gaming PC.
I never got the PS5 because the PS3 -> PS4 jump was too underwhelming, when PC is pulling away so many games. And it's not about or solvable with exclusives, because there are literally no games I can think of that would make me buy a whole console just to play. Imho PC gaming, especially in the Golden Age of Indies, is just too strong an argument unless you are a console-only gamer.
Nice style, fast lodaing screens, 4k and good graphics. But to me, it is just an upgraded ps4. Graphics didnt leap as far as 8bit-16bit-ps1-ps2-ps3. Big focus on improving visuals lead us to have great visuals barely changing overtime, but gameplay didnt evolve.
gameplay didn't evolve
Massive understatement. The PS5's biggest titles were remakes and direct sequels. Coupling it with the "upgraded" versions of PS4 games like Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us Part 2, and GTA5, even the marketing seemed to boil down to "This is just a really nice PS4."
It... does feel like a success, though?
it feels like it's winning, but it doesn't feel as successful as the numbers show it is. Everyone has a PS5 but a lot of them are collecting dust already.
Everyone has a PS5
Feels like a success to me?
Consoles are usually sold at a loss and profit is made on the software i.e games and nowadays subscriptions. Selling hardware at a loss with no follow up is going to hurt.
If no one is buying new games, that is bad for Sony and bad for the industry. Part of Sony's business model is built around the revenue from digital game sales and PS plus memberships. You ain't makin money from those if no one is using the consoles they bought.
Yup think the PS5 is going to be my last console purchase. In future if i get the itch to play on the tv i’ll plug my laptop into the TV.
My opinion is it is the turmoil in the games. Big money bought out many studios and brought a focus to shareholder value rather than games people want to play. Enshitification is everywhere. Doesn't matter what your platform if choice is, last few years haven't been great for gaming.
The only reason I got a PS5 was because my PS4's HDMI port got damaged somehow. The controller is a significant upgrade if games use it, but not a lot do. Looking back, I probably would have been fine without it at all since I have a Steam Link and that works great in the TV
The main reason why I got one was because my PS4 was on its last legs after the hammering it got during 8 months of covid lockdown and furlough, and the whole console was cheaper than a new graphics card for my PC (+the other upgrades it needed to accommodate it).
The new controller is epic and that astrobot demo game really showcased its capabilities, but no other games have used it, even other exclusives like god of war. Wasted opportunity.
Exclusives? So PS5 isn't as good as PS4 because you can play more of its catalogue on other platforms? This feels like a bad take to me.
People here already mentioning a lot of other good points that I think are bigger contributors to the feeling of the PS5 being less successful than it is.