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[–] karashta@piefed.social 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This became obvious to me when I was young and learned that nothing happened much to the employer who was hiring the illegal immigrant.

It was always the immigrant's fault, somehow, that they are being exploited. And they were the ones punished, not the people exploiting them.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Hey now, have a little faith in the system. They might have received a token fine that was less than what they saved by using illegal immigrants in the first place!

[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The immigrant didn’t take your job away, the leadership did.

If a little boy had an ice cream cone, and I took it away from him and gave it to a little girl, why the fuck should he be mad at the little girl?

[–] wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago

Great analogy I think I'll use this

[–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You have some issues against little boys ?😂

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 1 points 1 week ago

No, I just like little girls

Wait...

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Peri & Card (2010) and later Ottaviano & Peri (2012) used U.S. Census data to demonstrate that low‑skill immigrants raise the marginal product of low‑skill local workers, while high‑skill immigrants boost the productivity of high‑skill locals. Their estimates show positive wage effects for locals in the same skill bracket.

Alessandro Caiumi & Giovanni Peri (2024) found that immigration increased wages of less‑educated local workers by 1.7‑2.6 % over 2000‑2019, with no significant crowding‑out of employment.

The Kauffman Foundation reports that immigrants are 1.5‑2 times more likely than locals to become founders of high‑growth firms. These firms employ local workers at rates comparable to local‑only firms, adding to overall job creation rather than subtracting from it.

The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (2017) concluded that “the overall impact of immigration on the wages of local workers is small and mixed, with positive effects for many groups and negligible effects for others.”

Simulations (Alessandro Caiumi & Giovanni Peri, 2024) consistently find that immigration raises total factor productivity (TFP) by introducing diverse human capital and fostering knowledge spillovers.

Higher TFP lifts the entire production possibility frontier, meaning the economy can produce more goods and services with the same amount of labor, to the benefit of all.

Tl;dr: The zero sum displacement narrative diverges from macroeconomic reality.

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago
[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 week ago

People believe in capitalism. They believe that the capitalist hiring the cheapest labor, cutting every corner, and keeping every penny is playing by the rules. They are blameless.

The immigrant, however, less so. If they are "illegal", then they didn't follow the rules and need to be corrected! But even if they are "legal", they're still "supposed" to be second in line.

If the rules are just, who made them, and how they are maintained? Not under question.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

No, don't you see? You're saying immigrants are basically slaves to capitalism right? Well, why can't I own slaves? That's the real problem here. — Racists

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

One exception; when that immigrant is the capitalist that screws you over (Musk for the most prominent example)

counterpoint Space Karen

[–] chrischryse@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aren’t the jobs being “taken” by immigrants ones Americans don’t want to do? How tf that make sense

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Jobs Americans don't want to do (at the price point the business is offering)"

So its hard to get an IT professional to work at job at $15/hr in the US. Easier in Southeast Asia. Consequently, we outsource a ton of IT work overseas.

Similarly, construction work is dangerous and exhausting. Hard to find young people to do the work at a $25/hr price point, until you start importing a bunch of very desperate 20-something migrant laborers.

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