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The capitulation of Senate Democrats in ending the government shutdown without healthcare concessions has sparked outrage. Calls for new leadership and primary challenges are growing. The fight for a Democratic Party that truly fights back continues.

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[–] jontree255@lemmy.world 93 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Like 90% of the Dems in Congress need to go. Replacing Schumer will be a start but not nearly enough.

[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

and all of the republicans cow-toeing to dear leader

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] shplane@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It’s actually camel-toeing

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Moose knuckle

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 7 months ago

Do you think there are Republicans that don't need to get removed?

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 40 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Could you imagine a government with 30% of the politicians being Independent like Bernie? The corporations wouldnt know who to bribe, politicians would actually need to worry about what voters think. 100% Independent would be horrific for corporations ... and exactly how the founding fathers designed the constitution.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

James Madison’s entire reason for creating the Senate was to protect the “opulent minority” (landholders) from the majority (everyone else). The constitution was always designed to protect capital as its prime directive.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

if independents are so great what happened to Anus King?

edit: not a typo, his name is Anus now.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 7 months ago

Or they'd throw even more money at them

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I knew Schumer was gonna fuck it up somehow. The last few days I was finally starting to get a little hope he grew a spine and actually listened to DNC constituents only to have this blow up. We gave up effective air traffic, SNAP benefits, furloughed and laid off government workers for nothing in return after all these weeks. If his constituents don't demand a new rep after this then what hope do we have in the Senate for the foreseeable future?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

US would do well to support third party candidates while building the vanguard.

[–] ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The only path to effective opposition in the United States is through the destruction of the Democrat party. It can't be reformed.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It has been before. Many, many times.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Exactly. Ideological flip. Democrats and Republicans were firmly on opposite side of ideological divide before they switched.

Third party and independents used to be more prominent in congress and senate up until the early 20th century. I think mass corporate media brainwashed people to think within allowable and carefully curated discourse that they can only elect Democrats or Republicans. Hence, manufactured consent.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I feel like the better option would be to target the Republican party, since social inertia is gonna mean a few cycles of losing to whoever we don't destroy first. I don't wanna have to dismantle capitalism and christo-nationalism at the same time.

We replace it with a blue collar "libertarian" party that's just socialism with all the jargon replaced with country songs.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

And yet, how? This is a problem that's older than most of us.

I'm tired of hearing people say what needs to happen like they've just rubbed a magic lamp. The reality is that they're are still scores of people okay with this shit.

The best we can do at this stage is get a progressive to start leading them. I don't know if we'll get this, but people are finally very angry at these clowns, so maybe.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How would they do well to lose more seats?

[–] piefood@feddit.online 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How is it helping to have more seats?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The more seats the more we can do.

It’s all in this handy guide: https://www.ducksters.com/history/us_legislative_branch.php

[–] TVA@thebrainbin.org 9 points 7 months ago

Not when Dems always have the needed number of turncoats no matter what the situation!

Need two, don't worry, two will fall on the sword and make it (not) happen!

Need 8? 2 who are retiring and 6 who don't have a re election coming up will make it (not) happen!

Anything to stop too much progress from being made!

[–] piefood@feddit.online 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They've had enough seats to fix these problems plenty of times, but chose not to. They've had majorities twice that I can remember, and spent the entire time building out the systems that the current administration is using.

So once again I ask: How is it helping to have more seats?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah well I disagree, but the alternative is to have less seats. Which we have now.

Is now good? If so, carry on.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

The hateful 8

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not enough folks know about referendums, and all the cool things they can do.

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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wonder what he got as a kickback. He does a lot of surrendering these days.

[–] EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

My guess is more bombs for Israel.

[–] ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf 6 points 7 months ago

Fuck chuck the Cuck

Kick his ass out!

[–] verdi@feddit.org 3 points 7 months ago

The clueless idiot gene runs in the family.

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