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Linux distro for ThinkPad T470P (lemmy.zip)
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Hi everyone.

Can anyone guide me into choosing a Linux distro for this laptop (or laptops in general)?

I want to get it for my dad as a general browsing machine that can maybe also play some very old games. (think 2010 era)

How do I pick a distro? I tried checking the drivers page but it seems, at least from this page, that there are almost no drivers available on linux for this machine.

The same seems to be the case for many other laptops I looked at...I also have a ThinkBook 16 G7 IML as a work machine that I could not find proper drivers for (keyboard, camera, graphics card - I get artifacting very often)

Help? How do I research this?

EDIT: Thanks for the overwhelming support! What I took away is:

  • Most drivers are packaged in the kernel in Linux so no dedicated drivers are needed most of the time
  • Proprietary drivers are an issue (camera on the 16 G7 IML, Nvidia drivers)
  • The 940MX may not have Linux support, I'll check
  • It's a good laptop overall
  • Consider Mint, Tuxedo OS, Zorin (for mac users), Ubuntu
  • Consider A485 (AMD version of T480 with Vega 8), T470 (non-P - no nvidia driver issues), T480 (faster low power CPU than T470 high power CPU)
  • Resources: DistroWatch.com DistroChooser Linux Hardware

Yes I've considered desktops and would build one in a heartbeat if it would be useful for my dad, but he 100% needs the portability. Thanks for the heads up.

This thread proves 100% that the linux community really is friendly as hell. I don't know where people get the impression that noobs are treated badly.

I just checked compatibility between Mint and the 940MX and it seems good. Here are some links. The ones with "computer" in the link are specifically T470 or T470P models. The site is very slow for some reason but it will load eventually. If you get a gateway timeout it's likely to succeed if you retry.

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[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Most Linux distros will have you create a bootable USB, and with that you can try out the distro before installing it. I just did this with my wife's laptop to see which ones had the best support.

That PC is new enough that you won't have any particular limitations, so pick whatever looks and feels good.

If you're not sure, go with Linux Mint. If you dad is more familiar with using a Mac, go with Zorin OS.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

hmm sure that's probably the best way to know. I'll try a few and check if any have issues, thanks man

[–] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I run Mint on a couple of older thinkpads (430 era) and have zero problems.

[–] sidebro@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think this is the best reply here, the best thing is to just try it out!

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Here are three sites that will make your life a whole lot easier:

  • DistroWatch.com - This is basically a database of various Linux distros, BSDs, Unices, and other similar OSes. It's a good way of looking into a distro before installing it.
  • DistroChooser - This is a basic quiz that suggests Linux distros for you.
  • Linux Hardware - This is a database of hardware. I use it to check driver support before buying a new machine. It is hosted in Russia, though, so be careful.

If you or your dad are new to Linux, don't bother with DistroWatch or DistroChooser just yet; go for Linux Mint.

I started my Linux journey with Mint on a ThinkPad T400 back in 2019, and now I'm one of the few people in my university writing Bash scripts without using ChatGPT. This shouldn't be a flex, but it is; and I owe it to starting with Mint.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

Man you just linked a whole gold mine, thanks, those are a lot of resources

And yea, if you code / script without using AI you have my damn full respect because I'm 100% tired of dealing with bugs written by AI.

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ubuntu is the distro with the widest userbase, and because of that, it's directly supported by most programs. It's also got a huge community, which means you can find help easily if you run into problems.

I personally prefer Mint over Ubuntu. It is Ubuntu based, so some 95 % of any Ubuntu help you find also directly applies to Linux Mint.

Then, everybody is talking about Arch Linux. Linux Mint and Ubuntu are examples of trying to make everything work out of the box and having a button you can click with your mouse to get almost anything done that you might want.

Arch, then again, seems to take the approach that it is not very user friendly out of the box but has such support materials that it teaches you to understand the innards of your linux installation, so in the long run you will learn more and have it easier than using a dumbed-down distro such as Mint.

Currently I'm running an Ubuntu installation because my Thinkpad came preinstalled with it, and I haven't bothered installing Mint or Arch or anything. This runs all the programs I need and doesn't hiccup, so whatever. "If it works, don't fix it."

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yea I'm an Ubuntu user myself and had no issues with it, really. I'm definitely considering that one and will try it as well if Mint fails.

I definitely won't put Arch on his PC haha. Even I'm not knowledgeable enough for that one.

If I do try Ubuntu, is there a reason I should go with 22.04 instead of 24? I'm on 22.04 at work right now.

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd say the only reason to go for 22.04 is that you already run it and do not want to upgrade to 24.04.

So, in a new installation 22.04 makes no sense. 24.04 is the choice if you want an LTS version. If not, then you can just go for 25.10.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

thanks!

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, this is the laptop I'm looking at exactly https://www.pchouse.ro/lenovo-thinkpad-t470p-14-2k-i7-7820hq-8gb-ddr4-256gb-ssd-nvme-geforce-940mx-windows-optional-laptop-refurbished-grad-a.html#specificatii-tehnice

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

looks pretty good, just keep in mind that nvidia drivers can be more finicky and less reliable than Intel/amd

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yea here's hoping they work. I've dealt with drivers for a 1650 before but good point, I should check driver support for that GPU.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There aren't any drivers because they're already in the Linux kernel, preinstalled. if you don't know much about Linux, you won't know the reasons for choosing one distro over another. the best way to figure it out is to try a few out.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Not for the Nvidia card, they aren't.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I see. So whereas on Windows the drivers are separate, on Linux they're pretty much always packaged together, I take it?

I guess then the only problems can arise from proprietary stuff that NEED proprietary drivers. In the case of that Thinkbook I mentioned, their camera is a sort of custom model. If you don't get the official Windows-only driver, it uses the "basic" driver (whatever that means), and that one can't create video higher than 480p with massive smearing :-/

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

here's the archlinux wiki page for the t470, it might be worth a read (the info is usually applicable to most distributions):

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T470

it doesn't mention anything about webcam, so assuming it's the same model as the t470p it should just work

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Arch. I run it on my T490 and it flies.

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mint. I put my old mum on it. As long as the icons are the same she's fine.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

Right? I want to see how long it takes dad to realize lol. I'll get it running nicely for him so he doesn't need to fiddle with anything.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm struggling to navigate the site, but have you considered a desktop workstation?

They tend to be well built, and not have so many linux compatibility issues (especially from laptop hybrid graphics setups). This one for instance, is a similar price but comes with a straight up more powerful GPU: https://www.pchouse.ro/hp-z440-tower-xeon-e5-1660-v3-32gb-ddr4-reg-256gb-ssd-quadro-m2000-windows-10-pro-workstation-refurbished.html

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Oh yea I'd definitely do that but he needs to carry it around Germany where he works in construction. Not really viable sadly, otherwise he'd get a desktop for sure. I'm very much against laptops myself.

I have the laptop I mentioned for work and I dread it. I also had a FX505DT and hated that one too. The bloody chassis cracked on that one, man, in like 5 or 6 places. I thought I damaged it while opening it at first...then pieces kept coming off by themselves for no reason. Never in my life am I ever buying a laptop marketed for gaming. That was some of the worst build quality I've ever seen in my whole life, and it's marketed as being tough ("TUF")...

I still can't believe I sold that FX505DT piece of shit to a poor sod. The keyboard was dying, the chassis was destroyed, the thing ran on fans full blast all the time because the cooling was trash and the fan curve was ridiculous...told the guy everything upfront and he still bought it for 300 euro...I wouldn't have touched that thing with a 10 meter pole.

I actually already have a motherboard, CPU, CPU cooler, and 2 GPU's that I could use. I'd definitely do that if I could. but alas, it is what it is. I'd love to build him a PC at some point though, it's very fun. I never bought a prebuilt and never will.

I tried finding something that's comparably repairable to a desktop and the best I could find was this laptop that I linked. In the meantime I found out Thinkpads are fucking amazing.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ah. Makes sense.

That was some of the worst build quality I’ve ever seen in my whole life, and it’s marketed as being tough (“TUF”)…

The Asus Zephyrus laptops are quite good. Yeah, TUF is another story, I would not touch those either...

I tried finding something that’s comparably repairable to a desktop and the best I could find was this laptop that I linked.

And yeah, probably no used Framework 13s there? Thinkpads do seem like a good second choice (at the right price), though obviously the GPUs are not the best.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yea no frameworks up for grabs around here and even still, they would be expensive as hell.

And yup. The TUF line is definitely the worst from Asus. Had no idea when I bought it.

Also edited some more in there - what a lightning reply my dude haha.

[–] iconic_admin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

For what it’s worth, I’ve been running Ubuntu LTS on a Lenovo t470s for a couple of years with no problems at all.