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Progressives Tell Dems Thinking of Capitulating to GOP on Shutdown: 'You Cave, You Lose' (www.commondreams.org)

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[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 144 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Ahead of Democrats’ meeting, Republicans floated a new offer that would reportedly entail “rehiring federal workers who have been laid off during the shutdown as part of a deal to end it,” according to Politico.

Okay... so their offer is, stop standing up to us and let us finish gutting healthcare, and we'll rehire the people that we fired to punish you for standing up to us? Am I getting that right?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 60 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Republicans are shitting their pants right now.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 72 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair, the president has been doing that for years.

[–] TheGoldenV@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s all the rage. Everybody does it. It’s all I hear abooooiuuuuutttttt…. whew.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember when certain voters started wearing disposable underwear to rallies?

[–] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I just sent that to my Trumper buddy. Like we're crazy for empathy and protesting, while he forgot about diapers and ear bandages.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And yet they are not backing down. All I can think is that there are a hell of a lot of them in the Epstein files and Trump has them by the balls.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you think Jeffrey Epstein was the first or the only guy blackmailing United States politicians for Israel?

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nope. Just the most effective.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How can you even know that? The most effective intelligence agents are the ones that don’t get caught/killed.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course, I don't know that. You asked me what I think. My opinion is that he was the most effective.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Compared to who though?

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, and then they will fire those rehires again after just a minuscule amount of time has passed.

Just like they have done with a couple agencies.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

And we'll fire them again right after that because cruelty and lying is the point of this weird weird game

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Imo its better to not negotiate with terrorists.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yup. You got it right.

Hopefully the Dems aren't stupid enough to fall for it.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 58 points 2 weeks ago

As the Senate Democratic caucus met privately on Thursday to discuss the party’s approach to the ongoing government shutdown following key electoral victories earlier this week, progressives sent a message to any centrists thinking of breaking ranks: “You cave, you lose.”

Those were the words of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who has vocally warned Democrats against abandoning their push for an extension of Affordable Care Act subsidies as a necessary condition for any deal with the GOP to end the shutdown—now the longest in US history.

Always cutting progressive names outta headlines..

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 40 points 2 weeks ago

Please don't fold like a cheap suit, despite your historical performance.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

Yup.

This is it.

Dems cave and they're going to lose a critical chunk of their base.. Probably forever. It'll be a deathblow.

And it'll be massively fucking stupid considering they just dominated this election cycle, which is a message to them that they do still have a lot of support and that Americans don't see the shutdown as their fault.

HOLD. THE. FUCKING. LINE.

[–] notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You cave and we’ll have your heads (politically speaking, not physically).

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The politics of life.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I mean, I don't especially think that the GOP is going to fully change course on health care. And I doubt that the Democrats are going to block the budget until Trump leaves office (though that'd be one for the history books).

In my book, what matters for the Democrats is flipping the House in 2026. Whatever happens on the shutdown

forcing the Republicans to use the nuclear option so that they don't need a supermajority in the Senate, the Republicans back down by conceding on health care, or the Democrats back down by conceding on health care, whatever, and how each side manages to set public perceptions around this

is aimed at shaping the midterms, which will matter.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Right now, the only way the Democrats have a chance at the midterms (assuming they aren't overrun by some manufactured emergency to keep Trump and whoever he likes that day in office for life), is if they do keep the shutdown going until there's a Democrat president in office.

The problem with that of course is that it means the "small-government" Republicans and the Libertarians get exactly what they want.

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Due to the current administration’s shenanigans, states are needing to step up anyway. States came together to get the COVID vaccine out to their people, and to help one another track illnesses. I can see more cooperation like that in the future if the BS keeps up (which it most likely will). My state is already trying to figure out alternatives so we don’t have to be so dependent on the federal government.

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's contradictory. The midterms happen next fall. The next presidential election isn't for 3 years.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

The midterms happen next fall - and hopefully any new Dems elected vote to keep things closed.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

lol you still think there’s going to be fair midterms?

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

If the government stays shutdown they won't have half the amount of muscle they expected, it could be more difficult for them to fuck with things without those funds. I do hope dems force republicans to end the shutdown.

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

After this years elections, hopefully yes.

[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

what's the old saying? "Never underestimate the ability of Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory"

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago

Primary anyone that caves.

Its time to ratchet back to liberal. Fuck the center.

[+] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org -90 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Oh good. Bernie is considered a "progressive" now? A millionaire with multiple houses, who's taken in no homeless people with his megawealth, has only ever donated proceeds from books he had ghostwritten when put under duress is a leading progressive?

We need to start electing real people.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is why no one loves you

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I’m sure they are so progressive that they’ve housed a ton of unhoused people and freely give up their own food as well. It’s the only measure of progressive!

/s because of today’s political climate

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

Oh no, you see they're "not rich enough to make a difference", so they're allowed to do nothing. Since the definition is intrinsic to them they'll never be "rich enough" to help and they'll always "help when I'm rich enough to make a difference". So they can always be good people while doing nothing and they can always chastise the rich for "not doing enough" no matter how much they're helping because "if they were that rich they'd help more"

It's really beautiful actually how perfect the system is.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Most of his money is from book sales and he owns 2 houses. A $2-3m networth is far from mega wealth.

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago

He also lives in two cities, which makes the two houses make more sense.

[+] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org -18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That's at least 1 more home than he needs to live, and even $1m counts as megawealth compared to the national average.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

This is an incredibly naive/underinformed take dude. $1 million is like the absolute bare minimum a single person at retirement age needs to continue putting a roof over their head and food on their table.

I can kinda understand getting upset at someone owning two homes, but considering a million dollars "megawealth" is just out of touch with reality.

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The reality is, anyone can gain that kind of wealth by their 40s/50s if they are financially literate at a young age. You can make a median income and still come out a millionaire if you invest even a small amount consistently from late teens/early 20s. Bernie is an old man, so anyone his age that did that could easily be a multimillionaire without trying too hard, even with a middle class income. Now, I’m not sure how he obtained his wealth, just saying that millionaires aren’t all evil or born rich, in fact most didn’t come from wealth.

The main issue with many Americans not getting that far is poor financial literacy. Most don’t figure it out until their 30s, so they end up behind. Obviously, I won’t include those who were born in poverty as that is a whole other issue and is very difficult to overcome.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly, especially if you're investing in a 401k, 403b, or IRA.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The national average networth is $1.06mn. $1mn would technically be below average.

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who would you like to see elected instead?

[+] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org -18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Someone with a net worth at or below US average (~$200,000.00), who actually remembers trying to make ends meet on minimum wage, who owns no more than one home (preferably someone who rents). Oh, and preferably someone whose earnings mostly come from either a full-time W2 job or gig income (Uber, Lyft, etc.), not book sales or capital investment.

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

You do you, but personally I'm more focused on a politician's actions and policies, rather than their financial situation and background.

Bernie has been consistently on the right side of most issues for his whole political career from where I'm standing. To me, the fact that he's 84 years old and only worth a couple of million actually sets him apart from many of his rich, corporate owned colleagues.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So how do you feel about AOC?