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Obligatory reminder: Monopoly is deliberately intended to be un-fun because it was designed by Georgists to teach about the evils of rentiership and land-hoarding.
The square that is today labeled "collect $200 salary as you pass" was originally labeled "Labor applied to Land produces Wages."
What if I told you locking people up for rolling doubles three times does nothing to discourage the next player from doing it?
It never did. The point of the prison industrial complex is not to stop professional criminals but to deter the working class from making too much of a stink. This is also why prisons have to be squalid, inhumane places invested with bugs and where abuses by the guards are routine.
That's also why the judicial system is rigged to favor convictions and sentencing is disproportionately egregious for most crimes (e.g. possession).
I don't think this is a good analogy, because rolling doubles three times is a matter of chance, so you can't be "discouraged" to do it. While you can commit a crime willingly, rolling doubles is not something you can choose to do or really interfere with, it just happens and you're screwed. (Or maybe I missed your point entirely, in which case I apologize.)
rolling doubles is not something you can choose to do or really interfere with, it just happens and you’re screwed. (Or maybe I missed your point entirely, in which case I apologize.)
That is the joke, yes.
I mean, the $200 does encourage me to create a monopoly and simultaneously extract maximum wealth from my opponents while also taking their homes. Not sure if the monopoly analogy is useful here.
UBI is capitalists' best attempt at breathing life into capitalism. The benefits of UBI in the global north would still be at the expense of exploitation in the global south.
And even then UBI is just another form of maintaining this "unemployed reserve army". Guaranteed jobs for every citizen capable and desiring to work, on exchange for a living wage, would automatically eliminate the people's need to stay at shitty jobs or accepting shitty wages, since they can't be easily replaced; it would increase production of goods and services much more than UBI, therefore tackling possible inflationary tendencies... It's really a much better patch to capitalism than UBI
How does guaranteeing jobs make people any less replaceable?
Also we have a crises of bs jobs. UBI would help lower it a lot. Guaranteed jobs would make it ten times worse
How does guaranteeing jobs make people any less replaceable
Because there's constantly a labor shortage instead of a pool of millions of unemployed people
Also we have a crises of bs jobs. UBI would help lower it a lot. Guaranteed jobs would make it ten times worse
Why would guaranteed jobs make it worse? Guaranteed jobs could be decided upon (at the very least partially) by local neighborhood councils. Care for children and for old people, cleaning the streets, building new housing... Even if 50% of jobs created were "redundant" (which is impossible), that's still 50% of actual useful labor compared to 0% of UBI
You're just describing communism at this point. We're looking for practical solutions
Practical solutions like the ones we've been failing to implement for the past 50 years of erosion of labor rights and welfare state all over the western world?
UBI hasn't been tried on large scale anywhere. In small scales it's been successful
Exactly my point, it hasn't been implemented anywhere because capital will fight tooth and nail against it, and they're, well, the owning class, so they have plenty of power. My point is we can't reform our way into solving social and economic justice and fixing climate change
I think it is closer to the current state of American welfare where you get very little money on the condition that you continue to try the game (go around the board and pass go) while all along, rich players and the ge.itself try to collect rent and taxes that just don't have. Nevermind the ever present threat of being sent to jail.
Yep, Lemmy on web browser no longer allows me to post images in comments. Dunno what to do about it so I guess I'll just be sad.
UBI is not going to be without its problems, but it might be a stopgap to delay the onset of too many homeless starving people (which will result in police action, outlaw groups and eventually a proper Rebel Alliance, also a Résistance since chronic police brutality historically results in a résistance.
In the Great Depression, FDR enacted the New Deal because the choice was that or tremble before the Communist Revolution < swelling Bolshevik chorus > since an awful lot of Americans were living in paint-can shelters and dying of malnutrition on flour paste while Hoover was laughing and smoking cigars and playing poker with all the industrialists. Good times!
Here in the US, we've been inoculated against alternatives to socialism, but the ownership class whinging about quiet quitting and in the meantime not paying us enough to survive is running thin, so we're probably going to see something between a civil war and a genocide of non-whites, non-Christians, uppity women, people who are the wrong kind of Christianity, and eventually people who fail to snap their salute quite snappy enough.
Because we entirely failed to fix these problems during the last century, and will probably fail to fix them during the next too.
But man, I totally hope I'm wrong. Please make me eat crow.
I would argue it’s more of an example of a yearly wage but ok
How is it equivalent to a wage? You don't do any work to earn it, you simply have to pass go. Unless every player is a real estate agent whose boss makes them complete a stupid foot race to get their pay?
Side note, because I can't be bothered writing a top-level comment too: Up until the more recent games that use the million scale, it's always been $200, ever since 1935 (patent date). In today's money, that's $4,586, which honestly would be a good place to start for a monthly UBI in my opinion.
Edit: Oops, double posted, apologies.
I mean your literal job for players is to buy, sell, or rent real estate. That’s exactly what all players are doing. So it stands to reason that you would be paid a salary for this work. This is also peak capitalism in the 1930s. Ubi wasn’t even a glimmer of a thought in anyone’s eye.
If that was the case you wouldn't earn money from the real estate since it isn't yours