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ICJ rules Israel must allow aid groups unimpeded access to Gaza (www.abc.net.au)

submitted 2 months ago by Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone to c/worldnews@aussie.zone

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[–] Seagoon_@aussie.zone -5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So bombs and missiles can get through.

Once aid is in Gaza who is going to distribute it? Will it be Hamas taking aid again and then selling it at markets?

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 9 points 2 months ago

In case you're not acting in bad faith and wish to begin understanding the reasons Israel is a pariah State, listen to this interview with James Elder (spotify), just one of the many stories that still manage to get out of Gaza although Israel still doesn't allow international journalists free access for the rest of the world.

[–] tuff_wizard@aussie.zone 3 points 2 months ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html

[+] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

United Nations's highest court 😂

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Australia's freedom as it is today relies on the rules courts like these attempt to uphold. When Israel pisses on these conventions and courts, they piss on our freedom as well.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

No it doesn't? Our freedom relies on our defensive alliance to Europe and America, if China invades the ICJ will be about as useful as a lollipop stuck up a goats butt.

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

'Might is right' is the world your wishing for. It isn't the world you've lived in. 'Might is right' means Australia will fall under the extreme coercive control that you saw of a client state in such power relations as the USSR. The Post War American led consensus was not that, we are now at risk of it becoming that, and the actions of Israel have help along that emergent future.

You know i'm no fan of many of the USA's activities, not only under this latest administration, but up until now there has been a self imposed, self limitation by powers like the US that allowed for the freedoms Australians have enjoyed in living memory. The impunity with which Israel has been treated also breaks that dynamic.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

‘Might is right’ is the world your wishing for

Not what I'm wishing for, it's what exists?

What you're wishing for is to turn the UN into some sort of international world police? but this has never existed or had any real power

From 2004:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=084irEAQrLQ

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A might makes right world in a geopolitical sense doesn't exist now. The post war consensus exist, it means nations are self limiting with a floor under which they do not sink. Israel has sunk below that floor, the West's inability to even recognise that has dealt untold damage to faith in the current world order, but the only other viable option 'might makes right' is unpalatable to most powers.

The UN oversees and impartially adjudicates, its track record from the earliest years on leading interventions was patchy at best, a catastrophe at worst. The UN only assembles military force if there is truly no alternative. Haiti might be one upcoming example. So no, i and the UN don't advocate for some international UN police, it is nation states that make up this world order, it is nation states who must steer it together. The UN is a fantastic, and peaceful tool for that multi state mission, facilitating all with a chance to convince and guide.

In the zero sum 'might is right' world everybody loses a little all the time. You have to remember zero sum thinking assumes winner takes all, but it rarely accounts for the costs of a victory. A lesson hard learned with millions of lives.

The rise of zero sum thinking that is implicitly advocated by 'might makes right' or Chappelle's sketch leads to instability, fear and greater amounts of stagnation. A middle power will be a mere play thing in the hands of the great powers, Australia's growth will be retarded, our freedoms curtailed in service to great power competitions. We aren't really in that now, and we can avoid that outcome, but not by buying into an 'us or them' mentality.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Chappelle’s sketch leads to instability, fear and greater amounts of stagnation

He was saying exactly what George Bush was saying but in a humorous way, you're trying to cling to something that never existed

You can simply look at all the wars China and USA have been engaged in over the last few decades and take stock. There's a reason we tie our defence to Europe and America, it's because the UN is utterly incapable of achieving anything other than writing strongly worded letters

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Strongly worded letters lead to actions and reactions. Its foolish to think otherwise, the power of the UN in that regard is great, look at the news who isbquoted more often the Pope or the General Secretary? Hard to pick which isn't it.

The UN does a lot more than words,

it adjudicates where no other party can legitimately claim such a role.
it delivers aid all over the world, often in record time after disasters or war. And importantly the people they're trying to help, aren't shot.
the General Assembly provides a platform of relatively equal footing where the nations of the world coordinate, interact, and communicate the desires and directions. Communication on such a scale is key for stability in this world, where inconsistencies arise catastrophic blunders can soon follow.

I don't know IKT, go read some of the UN agencies websites for yourself, see the projects they do, the help they render. This stuff is incredibly transparent and easy to look up.

Lastly, comedians can be great for observations that challenge common understandings, but you shouldn't draw your understanding of the world from them, they should inspire you to learn more about the subjects they highlight. Dave Chappelle certainly did that for me.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Strongly worded letters lead to actions and reactions

If "lol no" is the reaction you're after then yeah, they sure do get a reaction

The UN does a lot more than words

I know, they appoint some of the most oppressive countries for women as head of women:

Outrage as Saudi Arabia chairs the UN Commission on the Status of Women

🤣

it delivers aid all over the world

So do lots of charities

the General Assembly provides a platform of relatively equal footing where the nations of the world coordinate, interact, and communicate the desires and directions. Communication on such a scale is key for stability in this world, where inconsistencies arise catastrophic blunders can soon follow.

I don't agree at all, we've been on the verge of ww3 for a very long time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident

UN or no UN

Clearly doing a lot to stop the war in Sudan... or the war in Afghanistan or Iraq or Russia ...

My favourite UN debacle is when China refused them entry to investigate the origins of COVID:

The lack of cooperation from Chinese authorities stalled the second phase, and the WHO eventually abandoned the second phase.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00283-y

They are a powerless time wasting body of bureaucrats, I would love to pull Australia out if I could

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah sure, the UN is USeLeSs keep living that dystopian WW3 fantasy if you want.

Did you look up the work the UN actually does yet? Na? Its a shame you're not going to, theres lots of stuff they do that really makes a difference to people's lives. Sorry they can't solve all the world's problems. Talk to ya another time mate.