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[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 92 points 1 month ago (4 children)

[A] ton of games were released on Steam this year. Valve's store has seen nearly 13,000 game launches since January 1, 2025, according to Steam data hound Gamalytic, and a majority of those games went straight under the couch to be forgotten for the rest of time like lost batteries.

This sounds like too many games are being made. I suppose a lot of these are hobby/passion projects or learning exercises people have made, but that has to be more games than there is any viable market for.

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 121 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just knowing how the internet be, I bet it’s 98% shovelware garbage looking for whales

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah man, I used to buy whole magazine because of the shovelware CDs on the front. Countless hours were spent installing credit card validators and odd scientific calculators.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Oh hey, this random CD I got from the mail has a screensaver in it!

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Just knowing Steam, it’s shovelware.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's a lot of complete trash. Multiple reskins of the same puzzle game with randomly generated names. Bare bones minesweeper clone written entirely by AI, and advertised as such. That sort of thing.

[–] greybeard@feddit.online 18 points 1 month ago

Don't forget the Unity Asset Store free example gamemodes packed with free assets and shoved onto Steam.

[–] Mangoguana@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Its also that it takes time building an audience, and some devs are awful at setting up their store page.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's also a marketing problem. I find games all the time on Steam that are a year+ old that I would have bought long ago if I'd even known they existed. It's a problem with small indie developers - they either don't know how to or don't have the money to market their game and just hope putting it on Steam will get it visibility.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 10 points 1 month ago

It's not necessarily a marketing problem because it's not necessarily an economic question. Steam and a few small other platforms like it are the reigning paradigm for indie game distribution, but games aren't necessarily an economic endeavour. Ars gratia artis is still a thing for a non-zero contingency of creatives.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago

While the page is important, there is also the need to get enough attention for the game so that people even visit the store page.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 13 points 1 month ago

It's the same as in any art field I think. Inevitable side effect of the internet and modern technology. I listened to a podcast a while back that had one of my favourite small indie bands as guests, and they were discussing how the same thing applies for music. The market is simply way, way oversaturated.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 73 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How many of them were good games and original?

[–] Ok_imagination@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago

Listen best I can do is ai slop.

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Precisely three.

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 58 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Makes sense as the barrier to entry gets lower and lower to make a game. Even I could make a game and release it. Of course nobody would buy it. One of the consequences of increased accessibility is that there's more competition in the market place for those entering with the intention of trying to make money off of it.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah. The same thing has happened in the music world, the book world, and even the movie world.

YouTube lowered the barrier to entry to basically nothing if you want to publish your own movie. Getting millions of people to watch it, even completely for free, is very difficult. Almost all of the videos out there with millions of views were published by people who were already well known (even if they grew their fanbase directly on YouTube).

Music is probably fairly similar to movies in that you can publish easy on YouTube and then direct everyone to your Bandcamp site to buy music from you.

The book world is probably hardest to crack. There are so many authors out there and it’s very easy (from a technical standpoint) to publish your own book. Writing a book a lot of people want to read and getting people to read it is a totally different matter!

[–] Airowird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the book part is solved through ebook portals. There's a LOT of books on the Kindle store with shitty stories, grammar mistakes and AI cover pics (if not completely wwritten by AI nowadays)

What the all have in common is they're digital products. There is a fixed overhead cost to host on a platform, but almost no cost per sale/visit/download, so you don't need to worry about scaling production and distribution.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

The deeper thing they have in common is that they’re all products which follow power law distributions based on popularity. Popular items get more exposure by word of mouth than unpopular or unknown items. That exposure leads to even more popularity which results in exponential takeoff.

Thus you can have a music industry where Taylor Swift can make a billion dollars on one tour while millions of other musicians languish in total obscurity.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Eh this is a non article. Basically 99% of these are AI shovelware by some low income shovelware factory. They probably are just fishing for a random meme game that hits rather than actually expecting success.

[–] Echofox@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe. Quickly looking at games that don't really sell:

https://steamdb.info/sales/?max_reviews=10&min_discount=0&min_rating=0&min_reviews=0

Mostly it just looks like games nobody asked for. Definitely some A.I. and asset flips included, but some look like effort was put into them ... however they don't look fun to me. Like, at all.

[–] DannyMac@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

idk, "Dildo Catcher" sounds like it may be fun

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

To release something for free on steam, does it cost $100?

[–] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is that 100 per game or per developer account?

[–] justdaveisfine@piefed.social 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Oof. Forking over a hundred dollars as a dev just out of college looking to get broader critiques kinda sucks

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 month ago

Steam refunds the fee if you make over $1000 in Gross Adjusted Revenue.

It’s supposed to be a tactic to discourage shovelware.

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

$100 is nothing compared to how long a game costs to make. Hundreds of development hours is tens of thousands of dollars. And if you’re making a game for less than a hundred development hours… maybe it’s not a very good game?

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most student projects I found weren't particularly good, you’re right. They seemed to be looking for perspective on a specific thread they were winding through. Whether it be visuals or a basic gameplay loop. It’s just funny to look back and see thousands of dollars and hours spent to receive responses like “I couldn’t get past the first page because the menu was broken.”

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

It doesn’t seem like Steam is the right venue for a student project. It’s not a place to receive basic feedback which students or novices would need to improve.

[–] justdaveisfine@piefed.social 18 points 1 month ago

Depending on what you're looking for in critique, Steam may not be a great place to get feedback. If you're looking for just a handful of focus users, you're better off uploading a game to itch.io and then asking people to try it via whatever relevant channels you're looking at.

Steam is better for reviews. Though reviews are not aimed at the dev but aimed at potential buyers which is very different looking.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago

I would distribute on Github, make a Flatpack, or use itch.io or similar for a hobby project.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

If you're just looking for critiques there's plenty of other spaces to post your product. 100USD for the outreach & services steam provide a developer is actually quite cheap in western countries. I could see it being more difficult in parts of the world with lower purchasing power though unless they have some regional pricing scheme.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Come on, what can a hundred dollars be anyway? Five bananas?

[–] Echofox@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago
[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

you a pay deposit to publish on steam, you get it back after enough sales

[–] Gbagginsthe3rd@aussie.zone 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is there a search filter for hardly bought games?

[–] radix@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure if steamdb can search the entire catalog, but at https://steamdb.info/sales/ you can put a filter on the maximum number of reviews.

Not exactly the same thing, but may be a decent proxy.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

With the economy tanking like it is, they likely won't recover soon either