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The Culture Committee of the Chamber of Deputies on Wednesday approved an amendment to Education Minister Giuseppe Valditara’s “informed consent” bill, extending the current ban on sex education from kindergartens and primary schools to middle schools (ages 11 to 14).

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[–] Gympie_Gympie_pie@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not Italy, just the Meloni government. Italian people are fed up with her.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

40% of Italians still like her according to polls...

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

50% of people are below average intelligence.

(Yeah, yeah, the implied conclusion is fallacious reasoning, but it's still funny.)

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was thinking about this the other day, and due to the bell curve, 68% of people are average intelligence, with only 16% being below (or above) average. I don't know if that makes it better or worse, because a lot more than 16% of the population is making pretty poor choices.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm sure cognitive scientists had good reasons for that somewhat arbitrarily defined band of the bell-curve when they gave it the name "average intelligence" but it's pretty clear that the joke isn't using that definition.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

First, if there's a good reason, it isn't arbitrary. Second, at an elementary level, data points that are within a standard deviation of each other are statistically similar. There are obviously variances and edge cases, but it does reinforce the point I was making, which is that expected behavior for someone at 115 IQ and someone at 100 IQ are more or less the same (and may be the same person who did or didn't have a good night's sleep).

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

As you point out, intelligence is fuzzy and dependent on many factors. Which is why a straight line hard cut-off above and below the mean of a distribution seems pretty arbitrary to me, even if it is based upon a particularly useful way of delineating variance from a mean.

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

If you take out the malicious, you're left with only the dumb ones.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This is true for nearly all cases of government critique. However, it's also true that any country/nation electing a certain government is at least partially responsible for their actions. Naturally, we can argue about the degree, since it is not clear how open and effective elections are.

Apart from that, we generally say "[country] x does [thing y]" and not "[this specific government] consisting of [parties a, b and c], from [country x] does [thing y]" for simplicity. Most people only really care about their own country, its neighbors and the three superpowers. It's not exactly easy remembering several political parties, various individual politicians, and what they all say and do from 193+ countries.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why tf she looks like AI generated image?

[–] klammeraffe@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 month ago

Right wing robot? Kinda got that MTG thing going on. Just give her an AR15

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

She's the real life Gollum.

[–] azureskypirate@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Context: Giuseppe Valditara, Education secretary, is a male, 64;

Giorgia Meloni, Prime minister, is a female, 48. Pic related.

She tabled the bill to continue limiting sex-ed.

Opinion: Progress. Although killing your partner is not directly related to sex-ed, sex-ed is generally good. Students learn hygiene and STI prevention.

I don't study these curriculums, but the class I took didn't mention homosexuals or gender roles. Gender id and transgender weren't in pop culture, but I doubt it is included today.

Edit: Sorry guys, I read the article poorly.

Giorgia Latini, not Giorgia Meloni (prime minister), tabled the measure. It isn't clear from the article if the measure was tabled before or after the Valditara's amendment was approved. And Giorgia Meloni weighed in on gender theory, not necessarily sex ed.

I can't seem to determine from this article if sex education will be limited more or not, just that it is an issue for debate in Italy.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 40 points 1 month ago

She tabled the bill to continue limiting sex-ed.

Opinion: Progress. Although killing your partner is not directly related to sex-ed, sex-ed is generally good. Students learn hygiene and STI prevention.

I fail to see how this is progress. I know in the US “tabled” means the topic is set aside, but elsewhere the term means the precise opposite: to suggest the formal discussion of something.

This is Italy further restricting sex education, unless I’m seriously misunderstanding the article. The opposite of progress.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

She brought to the table an extension of the limit from primary to middle school. And it passed. So no sex ed until kids are over 14. Meanwhile the average age of menarche is 12 years. And girls and women are being murdered. But all she cares about is keeping kids from learning about any options besides traditional marriage and gender roles.

This is not progress.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 14 points 1 month ago

That's essentially been the Republican playbook in the US for the past 40 years. Introduce heinous legislation, media and opposition hem and haw for a couple weeks, pull the heinous legislation for something that is 75% less heinous which passes. Rinse and repeat and people consider it a victory every time their rights are eroded away

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

Reducing education to improve, well, anything at all? Bold move, Cotton.