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[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This ruling would have been helpful to have stopped Kyle Rittenhouse from killing two people and wounding another back in 2020 in Wisconsin when he crossed state lines with an assault rifle as age 17.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Not really. Kyle travelled from Illinois to Wisconsin with his rifle in order to kill two people. He did not travel through Pennsylvania, so this law wouldn't have applied to him.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure Kyle traveled without a firearm and had someone of-age purchase him one across state lines.

Here is an article about the guy who purchased him the gun, since Kyle couldn’t legally, taking a plea deal. https://abcnews.go.com/US/friend-bought-rifle-kyle-rittenhouse-plea-deal/story?id=82178053

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

All of that happened in Wisconsin. What does it have to do with Pennsylvania?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The key context is that this type of law in Wisconsin would have made it illegal for Kyle to not only purchase a firearm, but illegal to own/brandish/carry one.

Would it have stopped someone from illegally buying Kyle one or Kyle using it? No. But then he wouldn’t have gotten away with murder.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Ok? You could play that game for any law with any crime.

If Wisconsin had a law making it illegal to cross state lines then he would have been stopped too.

You're just saying "what if". This has nothing to do with the Pennsylvania law.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, you could play that game for many laws. One like this, specifically, could have helped Kyle face justice. That’s the point.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I bet it would have helped at the grassy knoll too!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lol "haha look at you replying to messages! What a loser!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Replying and adding to the conversation are two very different things, friendo. Lmao

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Like bringing up a crime that didn't happen anywhere near the state this entire post is about? Friendo Lmao

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

You may be short on reading comprehension, so the idea that a law in one state could have helped find justice in another is confusing to you. That’s okay.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If other states adopt the law now that SCOTUS has blessed it, of course it will be useful.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago

No...no it won't. The fuck is with you people thinking criminals will magically follow the laws...you know the large inner cities have a problem with giggle switches on glocks being carried by literal kids right? Chicago tried to sue glock because of it.

Criminals don't magically stop doing something because you made it illegal.

You fix the problem at the source, and focus on the why it's happening, not with what was used.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not anti gun by any means, and I also do think that most people under 21 are not responsible enough to be carrying firearms around most of the time in their daily life.

That said, I also don't like how we sort of have different levels of adulthood.

At 18 you're old enough to vote, get drafted, serve on a jury, be legally responsible for your actions and are considered an adult with all of the responsibilities and privileges that comes with that

Unless you want to buy alcohol, tobacco, carry a firearm, run for certain offices, etc. then you're not adult enough.

And put mildly, that rubs me the wrong way.

I don't necessarily disagree with the ages we set those restrictions at, overall I think they're fairly reasonable.

But I do think that it means that if they're not getting all of the rights and privileges as an older adult, they shouldn't be saddled with the same responsibilities.

I think younger adults need to be compensated in some way for the rights and privileges they don't get to enjoy. Lower taxes at least, maybe exemption from selective service (though I'd really like to abolish it entirely) until they're old enough to carry a firearm any other time, if they're not old enough to run for a particular office maybe their votes should count extra for those positions to ensure their voices are being heard, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I always thought this seemed sensible, but in practice the analysis is case by case. Can't really do gun law that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_sevens

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Good. Glad to see some progress.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

At issue was a state law that barred 18-to-20 years olds from open carrying firearms during declared states of emergencies.

So 99% of the time nothing's different. 😐

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

So do you suppose the SC is basically saying "quit bringing us these piss-ant rulings, bring us the real shit" by basically ignoring this one? Takes no work to just ignore it, but requires a lot of work to write up a contentious 6-3 ruling? I can't understand it otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Headline: Supreme Court

Me: oh here we go again

Headline: leaves in place PA....

Me: NICE

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

OT: My glasses must be fogged up....turn blossom's for Harris?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago

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