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EU lawmakers voted on Wednesday to ban the use of the term "veggie-burger" and limit food descriptions such as steak, escalope and sausage to products containing meat, part of a proposed EU law to protect farmers.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes, this will definitely protect farmers. I mean, it won't, but at least they will FEEL like it protects them.

People eat veggie burgers for a reason, and it isn't because they think it is actually meat. You can call it whatever you want.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like what is the problem? Hamburgers don't have any ham in them.

[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

a hamburger refers being in the style of, or a resident of hamburg Germany.

A burger should only be allowed to refer to the residents, or styles of, any legally defined Burg- ie a german walled town or fortress.

Hamburg should claim a DOC for ground beef, like champagne's for sparkling wine.

Although that might be disingenuous, as a practice of making the minced beef steak into a sandwich wasnt developed until the dish made its way to america.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Imagine if the term hamburger was under the protected designation of origin, just like feta cheese and champagne. You couldn’t produce hamburgers anywhere besides Hamburg. The rest of the world would have to call them something else, like beef sandwiches.

[–] NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Only sandwiches made by by the Earl of Sandwich are allowed to be called sandwiches. Y'all just eating savory bread cake.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 3 points 1 month ago

LOL, how about we just call it meat bread instead.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fun fact, there is an ancient Roman recipe for hamburger (though they didn't call it that). Apparently it was a common street food.

[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It would have been pretty weird if they did call it a hamburger, though.

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Okay, fine then. Hamburg, NJ can claim it.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 12 points 1 month ago

The farmers and Big Agriculture are afraid. Meat is getting expensive and vegan alternatives are getting cheaper.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The world is collapsing under the weight of totalitarianism, climate change, pollution, escalating conflicts, terrorism, tariff battles, supply chain issues, job losses, diseases, and various other huge challenges. And this is the bullshit they are focusing on?!

Great job EU lawmakers! /s

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

This is day-to-day shit politicians have to vote on. Went to my state capitol to protest as a senior. Blew me away how fast they were cranking through the votes.

"On proposal $X, <very short descriptive blurb>, all those in favor?"

We see headlines like this because it's so ridiculous. But it's just the daily grind to legislators.

Who knows what concession(s) they got for bringing this dumb issue to the table? Maybe a concession on one of the issues you noted?

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Veggie Vurger. Problem solved.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 5 points 1 month ago

If what they did to milk and cheese is any indication, putting "burger alternative" on the packaging is good enough, so in the end it's going to be a big nothing burger.

[–] Havald@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As a form of protest the producers could call their veggie-burgers something like "veggie- big uncooked round grain based edible rotund" which conveniently shortens to veggie-b.u.r.g.e.r. Simply make the dots between the letters tiny and you barely have to change the packaging.

Hope that's legal and someone does that. Those idiots who made this law would blow a gasket.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 5 points 1 month ago

Or just do it like they do with vegan cheese and call it "burger alternative" so it's legally not a burger.

[–] Iamsqueegee@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

These the same idiots that railed against paper straws?

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not really, it's more of a farmer's lobby protecting animal products from vegetarian alternatives.

Which as someone else says below is a bit neutral and doesn't do much, but hey. They did it to milk.

Guessing it's some bargaining chip with the industry on the wider legislation they're passing? This stuff is pretty byzantine. European agricultural industries are constantly on the verge of setting stuff on fire. It's a full time job to be even vaguely aware of what's going on with them.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are EU farmers dumb? Who mistakes a veggie burger for a real burger?

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago

I nean... it's a labelling thing, presumably. They don't want milk substitutes to be labelled "milk" so they can't advertise as easily as a milk substitute on supermarket shelves, and presumably the same is true for meat substitutes, except this goes at a glacial pace and they tried and failed in 2020 when it was still relevant and now they're trying again even though nobody cares about veggie burgers anymore.

You are presuming this sort of arcane manipulation of collective weirdness into multinational legislation follows human logic, and that way lies madness. Best you can do is steer it ever so slightly so it at least does something in the aggregate that stops some anarchocapitalist loon from privatizing oxygen or whatever. It's been a very weird century.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I mean, paper straws are not great for the environment either though. Better to go without or have a reusable straw.

[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What's next? Soon you won't be allowed to call it baby oil unless it's made from real babies.

On a more serious note, I did order a "flexi" burger at Max by mistake. I thought it was a gateway burger with one patty replaced by halloumi. All I got was veg.

[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Wait baby powder isn't made from real babies?

[–] Jimbel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago

I can see terms like beef but are they not going to allow turkey burgers.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Great news! Do milk and cheese next!

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They already did that. It's all soy drink instead of soy milk, and it says "vegan alternative for cheese", with "alternative for" in small print, or just "cheese alternative". That kind of thing. It might have delayed some sales, but in general the vegan market grew anyway.