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    [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 148 points 2 months ago (1 children)
    [–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    I'm not afraid of Ubuntu, I'm afraid of the need to use the the Ubuntu forums when I have an issue.

    I use arch wiki btw.

    [–] moonburster@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I recently switched to Eos and the arch wiki came in clutch many times (don’t try to an arch based system on a Mac without reading a ton of documentation, I learned that the hard way).

    Only Ubuntu I’ve seen rtfm more than actually helpful commands

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    [–] udon@lemmy.world 128 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Intolerable, scammy OS. Everything good in Ubuntu these days can be traced back to other projects, such as debian/Gnome/KDE. Whatever Canonical adds to that is just an attempt to lock you in their ecosystem or wring money out of you.

    Just use debian instead.

    [–] somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Or mint, if you're a newbie

    Honestly, i don't like debian and it's derivatives because they focus on stability, and that means packages in the repos get outdated really quick. I'd love a distro that combines a debian base and the rolling release model of arch.

    [–] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's called Debian Testing.

    [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

    Debian testing is not rolling. Sid/unstable is.

    [–] somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)
    [–] JohnnyCash@sopuli.xyz 37 points 2 months ago

    That's testing my patience.

    [–] guynamedzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    I know it’s not exactly what you’re asking for but fedora is reaaaally nice. I don’t think I’ve had a single β€œunstable” package and it’s kept up to date really well. The only concern I have with it is red hat, I’m just hoping they don’t decide to enshittify

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    [–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago

    You can always use sid. Or debian stable but you do everything that needs bleeding edge in a distrobox.

    [–] waz@feddit.uk 8 points 2 months ago
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    [–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    That has ALWAYS been the case. I dont know why people are surprised now... ubuntu has alqays been backed by canonical. And it has always been based on the work of debian. What did people expect?

    People have always been saying to just skip the corporate bullshit and go straight to the source... debian

    Unfortunately there was a very loud group of people online shitting on debian, saying that it's too difficult or user friendly or whatever... may have been true 10 years ago, but not anymore

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    [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 61 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Proxmox nagging subscription message on login be like

    [–] nagaram@startrek.website 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Apparently you can turn those off but I haven't bothered.

    [–] doopen@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago
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    [–] wetsoggybread@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

    If you're using proxmox in a production environment and making money it doesn't cost much at all compared to VMware. I see it as helping fund production of software that right now still seems very solid

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    [–] gigachad@piefed.social 49 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Is it really like that or is this a joke

    [–] Linearity@piefed.au 57 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Last I used Ubuntu you do indeed get an ad every time you apt upgrade You can still go into some config file and remove it though

    [–] Wilmo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

    When was the last time you used Ubuntu though?

    Some people could say "last time I used Ubuntu it was full of Amazon ads!" But that would have been like 13 years ago

    [–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm an ubuntu user and it was like that for a brief period but then they removed it after an uproar. I think. I double check it once I'm at my laptop

    [–] BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I got a ThinkPad with Ubuntu 24.04 preinstalled and I haven't seen a single Ubuntu Pro ad. But I saw them a lot on my old laptop with 22 installed. So either they've changed their ways or I suppose it's possible Lenovo has preconfigured some settings.

    Edit. 24.04 LTS

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    [–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

    Ubuntu Pro is free for up to 5 machines.

    And if that's not enough, you can just make a second account to get another 5.

    And if the whole concept of getting extra security updates for packages that are out of support really bothers you, you can dummy out /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-esm-hook.conf

    [–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 69 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    I'm not opposed to Canonical's monetisation model. I think charging for extra updates and packages is fine as a way to make money. But I can understand why people don't want advertising in their operating system, though I personally think that a simple line of text showing up on my terminal following a flood of package-fetching and script-running results is tolerable.

    [–] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 months ago

    Canonical makes plenty of money through corporate partnerships without needing to muddy the basic user experience.

    [–] Linearity@piefed.au 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Oh wow, I didn't know that. Thank you for clarifying.
    However I have to say I'm not necessarily against self promotion as companies and organisations have to sustain themselves but advertising your service every time the user updates or upgrades is way too much compared to KDE's once-a-year donation request for example (that can be easily disabled).

    On another note I have experienced BTRFS and have seen the light, never returning to ext4 😭😭

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    [–] troed@fedia.io 15 points 2 months ago

    ... and live kernel security patches, removing the need to reboot out of schedule.

    I've paid $$$ for that in commercial settings. Getting it for free is actually crazy.

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    [–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I don't recall ever seeing such an ad in Ubuntu. Totally possible I wasn't paying attention or I saw it and forgot.

    [–] highball@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's for LTS releases only. So you rarely see it on desktop, but for sure will see it on servers. My previous job, I ran LTS on my work laptop and would laugh at everyone always getting a forced update right before scrum. This new job, I have to use WSL on this Windows laptop and guess what, I'm in forced update hell. I can understand that for some(or most) the pro message would be annoying, but I'd rather see that pro message 100 times a day then get a forced update at random times. Especially right before meetings.

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    [–] Zink@programming.dev 34 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    LIN πŸ‘

    NUX πŸ‘

    MINT πŸ‘

    I've seen plenty of Debian mentions, and no pushback there whatsoever from me.

    But if you find yourself frustrated that you can't just have Ubuntu without Canonical's snaps and ads and other ickiness, Mint is exactly that. Or maybe better, I dunno. It's super polished and full featured and stable.

    And even better in this era of Windows 10 support ending, the main/default version (Linux Mint Cinnamon) looks like Windows out of the box but it installs, works, and updates at like 10x the speed. (The 10x is an exaggeration for moment to moment desktop work and latency, but for the install and especially for updates I think it's accurate)

    [–] Idontcare@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I really enjoy Zorin. It's based on Ubuntu from what I recall. Has great features too.

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    [–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    +1 for Mint. It's what I give the elders when they need a computer.

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    [–] Wilmo@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    The thing about Ubuntu that kills me (as a user of it) is the other users who comment on reddit/r/Ubuntu.

    They are so confidentally incorrect about so much shit.

    Talk about removing snaps?

    "Core gnome functionality on Ubuntu requires snaps"

    That's not even remotely true. Snaps download Gnome* runtime libraries for it, just like Flatpaks do to run the snaps.

    Just an example but still. I see so much crap like this.

    [–] highball@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, it's the Cognitive Bias fallacy. Reminds me of all the anti Linux users who continue using the "Linux wont be ready for the average user, because no average user wants to write a compiler from scratch just so they can compile their programs". If you don't like something, you don't like it. No problem, no reason to whine and cry about it. You like a different distro, great, go use it. That's how distro's work. Everything eventually helps everybody and you just pick a distro that gets you close to what you want. I started with Slackware 3.4, to me everything is great.

    [–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    A friend of mine is a computer illiterate. His laptop doesn’t support Win11 because of the missing secure boot.

    I installed Linux mint and showed him firefox, but he preferred chrome, so I got him Brave. Steam was downloaded, the update center was self explanatory.

    He loves the speed.

    [–] mholiv@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

    Why would you install Brave when he liked chrome? You could have gone with any other non crypto bro non ad company chrome fork.

    Basic Chromium would have been better.

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    [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    This is why I switched back to Debian Stable on my servers, can’t deal with this shit.

    Also the fact that if you’re not up to date on updates, you can go fuck yourself as far as Ubuntu is considered. Debian will let you upgrade from any version without complaints

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    [–] Newsteinleo@midwest.social 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    I am literally running Ubuntu right now and I don't get this comic. I have never been asked to subscribe to Ubuntu Pro, if I have it was noninvasive that I didn't notice.

    [–] highball@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    It's only LTS. Desktop users rarely use LTS. Great to have live kernel updates on a developer workstation and servers though.

    [–] Newsteinleo@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Thank you for educating me, but this makes less sense now. The only people who should/need to run LTS are people we a specific reason for staying on an older OS. And if that's the case you should no what you are getting into.

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    [–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Did you know "Ubuntu" is Swaheli for "can't get Debian installed"?

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    [–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's why I switched to Ubuntu. It gives me the safe corporate vibes while using Linux.

    [–] kungen@feddit.nu 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Why not RHEL then? It even has "enterprise" in the name!

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    [–] twinnie@feddit.uk 14 points 2 months ago

    Aside from install and the first welcome screen I don’t recall seeing anything.

    [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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    [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My current plan is to try, how you say...CachyOS?

    Mainly, I want a clearer idea of what the "fork bases" are, so that when I inevitably run into some problems, I can google "How do I prevent window docking in Plasma" or "How do I prevent window docking in Arch". Not, "How do I prevent window docking in ObscureCachyFork875".

    I think I've had several attempts on "simple" distros, and unfortunately I think the trend of trying to simplify things for me has just cut off customization options that irk me to no end.

    [–] Pika@rekabu.ru 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    If you often find yourself in a position when you can't troubleshoot issues yourself, CachyOS might not be the perfect option. It's Arch far and wide, iirc since I tried it about half a year ago, it doesn't even feature something as basic as the app store, and is heavily terminal-based. Considering how many diverse issues Arch can create, this turns into a nightmare very quickly.

    Currently, I ended up running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my machines.

    • It's an OG distro, so no fork issues
    • Has decently large userbase
    • Is nearly as bleeding-edge as Arch
    • At the same time is rock solid thanks to advanced automatic package testing
    • Does not brick your system upon poor update
    • Has good and user-friendly documentation (that can be understood by non-nerds, unlike Arch Wiki)
    • Unlike newbie-friendly distros, does not assume user is an idiot and gives all power at your fingertips
    • Has btrfs and snapper properly set up by default to easily revert most mistakes you can make

    So, generally, this is the peace of mind rolling release distro that just works, doesn't bother you too much and at the same time allows you to spend as much time under the hood as you like. You're unlikely to break anything, you can always revert if you do, packages are well-tested and unlikely to cause issues, and on this solid foundation, you can do anything you like.

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