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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The only surprise here is that they're selling it. I thought the government just had access to that info through some FAA regulation or something.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Third party doctrine. They can buy it without a warrant and buy up all of it at once and do whatever they want with the data. None of it covered by the 4th Amendment.

To use warrant access and get it for free, they need a judge and have to go individual-by-individual citing specific names.

Same reason why the government just buys advertising data now to find out what people are doing online, rather than going the full legal route.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Ah, that actually makes a lot of sense. I mean it's dumb, but it makes sense.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

This loophole needs to be closed.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

Same reason why the government just buys advertising data now to find out what people are doing online, rather than going the full legal route.

Tbf, this is legal. Just unethical af.

It goes to show that when you compare the rights of millions of people verses a company making a quick buck, capitalism will win every time.

[–] humanoftheinternet@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

They probably did, but the poor airlines were missing out on that extra revenue.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Hey y'all - it's time to learn how to protect your online privacy. This is a perfect example of why "but I have nothing to hide" only enables a surveillance police state.

https://lemmy.ml/c/privacy

https://lemmy.world/c/privacy

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

With Flock and the airline data sales, its very difficult to protect offline privacy

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It just occurred to me that public transportation could be advocated for under the idea that it helps the government track people.

That’s a depressing idea.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much anything more complex than a bicycle has that effect

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I now have two big reasons to invest in a bike. 🤔

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 4 points 11 months ago

I strongly recommend getting a fitting and spending some time riding with a local club. The former makes sure you're comfortable, the latter can familiarize you with riding on roads and get you into better shape

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean we all already assumed the government was tracking us all anyway. Surprised they don’t just subcontract out mass surveillance to Palantir at this point, Peter Thiel clearly needs the money

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It isn’t great that we make these assumptions and make comments that say just “duh, we know.” When news is posted about the situation.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Even democrats (let’s be honest they’re the Conservative Party, republicans are now just plain fascist) have acted to preserve our surveillance state, and nobody has done jack shit about Meta and Google and Amazon cataloging every aspect of our lives. At this point the only chance for privacy is to move to an underdeveloped country and get a dumb phone, or move to Europe where for the moment they still have some privacy laws. Without a literal revolution none of that will change in the US.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 11 months ago

its a uniparty, a coalition party at best. which is why you have no issues passing defense budget, and pro-israeli agendas.

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We are all already tracked and traced 24/7. Nothing surprising here. It's been a police state since the late 2000's.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

You misspelled "early"

[–] who@feddit.org 2 points 11 months ago