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[–] VariousWorldViews@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Eating the rich is by far the most eco-friendly approach as it can dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

[–] PanaX@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I vehemently disagree with this statement.

We need to compost the rich and use that as a soil amendment to grow heirloom vegetables.

[–] AnotherLlama@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

A couple of people have spoken to me before about wanting to cut back on, or completely cut meat from their diets, but didn't know where to start. If anyone reading this feels the same way, here's some fairly basic recipies that I usually recommend (Bosh's tofu curry is straight up one of the best currys i've ever had - even my non-vegan family members love it)

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Tofu is also super versatile and is pretty climate-friendly. there's a bazillion different ways to do tofu, but simply seasoning and pan frying some extra/super firm tofu (like you do with chicken) with some peppers and onions, for fajitas, is an easy way to introduce yourself. Here's a little guide for tofu newbies: A Guide to Cooking Tofu for Beginners - The Kitchn. If you wanna level up your tofu game with some marinades here's six.

Lentils and beans are also super planet friendly, super cheap, and super versatile! You'll be able to find recipies all over that are based around lentils and beans so feel free to do a quick internet search.

Sorry for the huge, intimidating wall of text! I do hope someone interested in cutting back on meat found this useful though :)

[–] XiELEd@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I recommend tofu sisig and sweet & sour tofu!

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

One of the things that annoys me about vegans… is they always try to convince me [this recipe] always tastes like the real thing.

And I think any one who eats meat on a regular basis is going to know an impossible burger is not beef- it might be the closest, sure.

Probably the best way to “convert” people- or encourage reductions- is to be less apologetic. Tofu is wonderful and delicious as it’s own thing- but as tofu-chicken or tofurky or anything of that sort, it sets expectations that can never be met.

Forgetting to mention a dish that stands in its own happens to be meatless… well, my parents were halfway through the second bowl of a tofu stir fry before they realized it.

[–] ikornaselur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

When I went vegetarian years ago I hated it for the first few weeks.. Because I was trying veggie/vegan versions of all the dishes I knew how to make. When I started exploring actual just veggie/vegan recipes that weren't trying to be a fake meat version did it feel incredibly easy.

It's exactly as you said, the fake version is never as good and you'll most of the time be comparing it to the real thing.. But meals that just happen to be vegetarian/vegan? They can be amazing on their own! I've never looked back since I started exploring new recipes instead of alternative versions of old.

[–] kicksystem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

One of the things that annoys me about vegans… is they always ..

And one thing that annoys me about non-vegans is that they always tend to stereotype vegans. There are nearly 100 million vegans in the world my friend. We are not all the same.

[–] IndictEvolution@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Can't we all just agree 8 billion people is silly? Think about how much of it is just completely redundant. The main focus really should be massive population reduction.

Edit: Also, no, I don't mean killing off anyone, just reducing birth rates will do fine. We know even just a simple high school education reduces birth rates.

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[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

"study finds eating meat is bad"

no sh*t

[–] Jim_Greece@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[–] bossito@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I upvoted because this message still didn't reach everyone, but I guess it's just that people are in denial.. like, isn't this obvious? And weren't there already dozens of studies proving it?

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Well that's no surprise. Raising animals for meat is horribly inefficient compared to plants.

[–] FRAnkly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That is a lie.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

We should keep their brain, dick and balls so we can clone the billionaires (adult sized from the clone-0-matic) then before they wake up, we upload their mind, and we fuck them with their own dick! Hey if you collect enough you could open up an only fans Page!

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 years ago

I was just talking about this idea with a friend. We decided it would be political suicide in the US for anyone to suggest eating less meat.

People would literally rather see the world burn than give up their chicken nuggets.

I'm not even hardcore vegetarian. I looked at the situation and agreed it's hard to ethically justify eating meat. So I started eating less. I'm down to pretty much just "sometimes I get a pizza slice with a meat topping if there's nothing good without meat". Maybe I'll cut that out too one day.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

In this thread: Shit loads of people who will say they care about the climate crisis on one day, then say they don't care about the 18.5% of global carbon emissions that the meat industry causes the next day because they can't get over the decade worth of anti-veganism jokes and memes that they've constantly repeated uncritically.

Individual habits MUST be changed to solve this part of the problem, there is literally no way around that. Getting triggered and writing screeds because you've spent decades getting caught up in hate over food choices won't stop the planet burning.

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[–] smellythief@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I haven't clicked through, but I bet they meant "producing meat."

[–] The1Morrigan@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Who cares how much meat I eat when there's a billion cars, 2 billion factories and 1000 greedy billionaires burning the world to the ground?

[–] BeeOneTwoThree@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People can't think critically over why they prefer meat over vegetables. They just think they do it because hurr durr meat tastes better or you need protines.

If they actually think about the fact that they have been eating meat for every meal since they were a child they might understand that it is just a habit they have formed.

I strongly suggest to those people to try to have 1 dinner a week without meat or fish. It has nothing todo about taste and all about habits and what you are used to.

Try to challenge yourself a little bit and you might get a better perspective over these things.

[–] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Saying someone is "hurr durr meat tastes better" is wrong is so dismissive of other people and completely insufferable.

I agree, people should eat less meat. We often have meals in my house that don't feature meat. But guess what, I think meat tastes better.

The best way to alienate people and turn them against your point of view is to be an insufferable twat.

[–] krayj@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This crucially important caveat they snuck in there:

"Prof Scarborough said: “Cherry-picking data on high-impact, plant-based food or low-impact meat can obscure the clear relationship between animal-based foods and the environment."

...which is an interesting way of saying that lines get blurry depending on the type of meat diet people had and/or the quantity vs the type of plant-based diet people had.

Takeaway from the article shouldn't be meat=bad and vegan=good - the takeaway should be that meat can be an environmentally responsible part of a reasonable diet if done right and that it's also possible for vegan diets to be more environmentally irresponsible.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

If I source my beef or lamb from low-impact producers, could they have a lower footprint than plant-based alternatives? The evidence suggests, no: plant-based foods emit fewer greenhouse gases than meat and dairy, regardless of how they are produced.

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Plant-based protein sources – tofu, beans, peas and nuts – have the lowest carbon footprint. This is certainly true when you compare average emissions. But it’s still true when you compare the extremes: there’s not much overlap in emissions between the worst producers of plant proteins, and the best producers of meat and dairy.

https://ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat

Plant-based foods have a significantly smaller footprint on the environment than animal-based foods. Even the least sustainable vegetables and cereals cause less environmental harm than the lowest impact meat and dairy products [9].

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/8/1614/htm

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That’s both absolutely true and a massive distraction from the point. An environmentally friendly diet that includes meat is going to involve sustainable hunting not factory farming. In comparison an environmentally friendly vegan diet is staples of meat replacements and not trying to get fancy with it. It’s shit like beans instead of meat, tofu and tempeh when you feel fancy. It means rejecting substitutes that are too environmentally costly such as agave nectar as a sweetener (you should probably use beet or cane based sweetener instead).

So in short eat vegan like a poor vegan not like a rich person who thinks veganism is trendy

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