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If anybody here wants to make friends but not get laid, I invite you to my discord channel. We're planning to make the leap to a different platform soon, but no idea when.

I had a long, protracted discussion with someone before leaving reddit in which he was certain toxic masculinity was feminists’ fault.

Women expect too much of men, will only accept buff and young guys, over 6’ tall, etc.

My ex of 30 years was like 5’10 and had a very agreeable dad bod. You know what actually matters – and what always mattered to all my girl fiends? The guys who cared enough to learn what we cared about, and who did all the little things. Never looks, never spending 5 hours in the gym. Spending 5 hours making a 2 year old happy is the sexiest thing there is.

But yeah, women make men toxic. 🙄

Can’t be enjoyable and relaxing sorry, got blue balls

How does it spread if they are isolated?

TIL: Male Loneliness Epidemic isn't Loneliness, is Laidlessness

Edit: MLE = Incel???

But if they stop trying to get laid: they also wont get laid because they'll... not go out and socialize. They'll probably stay home in their comfortable bubble, play video games, watch youtube or anime or whatever, eat junk food, and jork it. Fall back into a comfy ritual. Catch 22.

And then they'll look at social media, experience FOMO when it seems like everyone else is fucking or in a happy relationship, get stars in their eyes thinking maybe there is a chance to not be forever alone. Go out and try again and fall flat on their face socially again as they desperately and obviously try to get laid and reek of social ineptitude. And the self loathing is reinforced another notch towards suicidality/blackpilling.

Or they avoid flaring up that sense of loneliness and horniness by just shutting off from socializing (online or offline) entirely. Can't experience fomo if you try to forget other people exist. But then of course they'll get cabin fever and start hallucinating the hat man.

Crackpot theory of my own: I also think some of these men, considering how much they complain about how hard it is being men, are not particularly attached to being men at all. If it were convenient and safe and they could ensure they were hot/decent looking at the end of it they'd probably transition into being a girl to just not be lonely anymore. Basically, they're "conditional eggs" or at least agender. If it becomes medically trivial to become a hot girl that's what a lot of them would transition to. There was a thing within the incel crowd called "trans-maxxing". While obviously transitioning with current technology and social acceptance probably wont make their lives easier (despite the transmaxxing manifesto claiming it would) there might be a point in the future where it would. Medical technology is advancing at a pretty crazy rate.

I do wonder what the social gender-divide fabric in that case would look like. What if say, a significant portion of existing men gave up on being men (but where not dysphoric trans, just desperate incels willing to throw away their identity for any intimacy through advanced medical transition). Most transwomen end up being straight once they transition. Either because they were always attracted to men on some level or because there is a significant chance HRT induces a change in who they're attracted to. If the medical transition technology was advanced enough, it'd probably be possible to increase that probability by demand. This would shift the ratio of hetero women available vs hetero men available. Lower pressure to compete as men since you can just "join the other team" and there would intrinsically be more straight women available vs straight men.

Of course, this would likely upset traditionalists and conservatives. And it'd make TERFs feel vindicated "See! Men just want to possess women's bodies for sex!" or something.

Brain computer interface haptics + VR/AR or Robot Waifus are probably more likely arrive before trivial "hot girl" transition is possible though and probably more likely to attract more forever-alones & incels than transition. Still a fun thought experiment IMO.

Speaking from experience, the best way to get a girl is to be good with kids. Two kinds of girl are really attracted to a man who would gives off good dad vibes: emotionally stable and mentally healthy girls who are ready to make a family, and girls who think they are stable and ready for a family. Make sure you know which one you are dating.

Then, once you are in a relationship with at least one, get in the habit of reminding them with your words and actions that you love them every single day. This keeps the relationship strong, which means you won't have to deal with random jealousy out of nowhere.

Tips to get laid. Yeah, that seems right.

Probably the least toxic response I've seen twoards male loneliness. :3