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[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Explain this too me AI. Reads back exactly what's on the screen including comments somehow with more words but less information Ok....

Ok, this is tricky. AI, can you do this refactoring so I don't have to keep track of everything. No... Thats all wrong... Yeah I know it's complicated, that's why I wanted it refactored. No you can't do that... fuck now I can either toss all your changes and do it myself or spend the next 3 hours rewriting it.

Yeah I struggle to find how anyone finds this garbage useful.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You shouldn't think of "AI" as intelligent and ask it to do something tricky. The boring stuff that's mostly just typing, that's what you get the LLMs to do. "Make a DTO for this table " "Interface for this JSON "

I just have a bunch of conversations going where I can paste stuff into and it will generate basic code. Then it's just connecting things up, but that's the fun part anyway.

[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Most ides do the boring stuff with templates and code generation for like a decade so that's not so helpful to me either but if it works for you.

[–] Damaskox@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I have asked questions, had conversations for company and generated images for role playing with AI.

I've been happy with it, so far.

[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

That's kind of outside the software development discussion but glad you're enjoying it.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 points 15 hours ago

"Using something that you're not experienced with and haven't yet worked out how to best integrate into your workflow slows some people down"

Wow, what an insight! More at 8!

As I said on this article when it was posted to another instance:

AI is a tool to use. Like with all tools, there are right ways and wrong ways and inefficient ways and all other ways to use them. You can’t say that they slow people down as a whole just because some people get slowed down.

[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

no shit. ai will hallucinate shit I’ll hit tab by accident and spend time undoing that or it’ll hijack tab on new lines inconsistently

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 109 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (32 children)

Experienced software developer, here. "AI" is useful to me in some contexts. Specifically when I want to scaffold out a completely new application (so I'm not worried about clobbering existing code) and I don't want to do it by hand, it saves me time.

And... that's about it. It sucks at code review, and will break shit in your repo if you let it.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not a developer per se (mostly virtualization, architecture, and hardware) but AI can get me to 80-90% of a script in no time. The last 10% takes a while but that was going to take a while regardless. So the time savings on that first 90% is awesome. Although it does send me down a really bad path at times. Being experienced enough to know that is very helpful in that I just start over.

In my opinion AI shouldn’t replace coders but it can definitely enhance them if used properly. It’s a tool like everything. I can put a screw in with a hammer but I probably shouldn’t.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Like I said, I do find it useful at times. But not only shouldn't it replace coders, it fundamentally can't. At least, not without a fundamental rearchitecturing of how they work.

The reason it goes down a "really bad path" is that it's basically glorified autocomplete. It doesn't know anything.

On top of that, spoken and written language are very imprecise, and there's no way for an LLM to derive what you really wanted from context clues such as your tone of voice.

Take the phrase "fruit flies like a banana." Am I saying that a piece of fruit might fly in a manner akin to how another piece of fruit, a banana, flies if thrown? Or am I saying that the insect called the fruit fly might like to consume a banana?

It's a humorous line, but my point is serious: We unintentionally speak in ambiguous ways like that all the time. And while we've got brains that can interpret unspoken signals to parse intended meaning from a word or phrase, LLMs don't.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Everyone on Lemmy is a software developer.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have limited AI experience, but so far that's what it means to me as well: helpful in very limited circumstances.

Mostly, I find it useful for "speaking new languages" - if I try to use AI to "help" with the stuff I have been doing daily for the past 20 years? Yeah, it's just slowing me down.

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I like the saying that LLMs are good at stuff you don’t know. That’s about it.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 6 points 15 hours ago

They're also bad at that though, because if you don't know that stuff then you don't know if what it's telling you is right or wrong.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 76 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago

I agree with the depicted actual developers, but this is still funny

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 45 points 1 day ago

Fun how the article concludes that AI tools are still good anyway, actually.

This AI hype is a sickness

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Writing code is the easiest part of my job. Why are you taking that away?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

For some of us that’s more useful. I’m currently playing a DevSecOps role and one of the defining characteristics is I need to know all the tools. On Friday, I was writing some Java modules, then some groovy glue, then spent the after writing a Python utility. While im reasonably good about jumping among languages and tools, those context switches are expensive. I definitely want ai help with that.

That being said, ai is just a step up from search or autocomplete, it’s not magical. I’ve had the most luck with it generating unit tests since they tend to be simple and repetitive (also a major place for the juniors to screw up: ai doesn’t know whether the slop it’s pumping out is useful. You do need to guide it and understand it, and you really need to cull the dreck)

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I study AI, and have developed plenty of software. LLMs are great for using unfamiliar libraries (with the docs open to validate), getting outlines of projects, and bouncing ideas for strategies. They aren't detail oriented enough to write full applications or complicated scripts. In general, I like to think of an LLM as a junior developer to my senior developer. I will give it small, atomized tasks, and I'll give its output a once over to check it with an eye to the details of implementation. It's nice to get the boilerplate out of the way quickly.

Don't get me wrong, LLMs are a huge advancement and unbelievably awesome for what they are. I think that they are one of the most important AI breakthroughs in the past five to ten years. But the AI hype train is misusing them, not understanding their capabilities and limitations, and casting their own wishes and desires onto a pile of linear algebra. Too often a tool (which is one of many) is being conflated with the one and only solution--a silver bullet--and it's not.

This leads to my biggest fear for the AI field of Computer Science: reality won't live up to the hype. When this inevitably happens, companies, CEOs, and normal people will sour on the entire field (which is already happening to some extent among workers). Even good uses of LLMs and other AI/ML use cases will be stopped and real academic research drying up.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My fear for the software industry is that we'll end up replacing junior devs with AI assistance, and then in a decade or two, we'll see a lack of mid-level and senior devs, because they never had a chance to enter the industry.

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 2 points 18 hours ago

100% agreed. It should not be used as a replacement but rather as an augmentation to get the real benefits.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's happening right now. I have a few friends who are looking for entry-level jobs and they find none.

It really sucks.

That said, the future lack of developers is a corporate problem, not a problem for developers. For us it just means that we'll earn a lot more in a few years.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You're not wrong, and I feel like it was a developing problem even before AI - everybody wanted someone with experience, even if the technology was brand new.

That said, even if you and I will be fine, it's still bad for the industry. And even if we weren't the ones pulling up the ladder behind us, I'd still like to find a way to start throwing ropes back down for the newbies...

They wanted someone with experience, who can hit the ground running, but didn't want to pay for it, either with cash or time.

  • cheap
  • quick
  • experience

You can only pick two.

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[–] xep@fedia.io 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Code reviews take up a lot of time, and if I know a lot of code in a review is AI generated I feel like I'm obliged to go through it with greater rigour, making it take up more time. LLM code is unaware of fundamental things such as quirks due to tech debt and existing conventions. It's not great.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Code reviews seem like a good opportunity for an LLM. It seems like they would be good at it. I’ve actually spent the last half hour googling for tools.

I’ve spent literally a month in reviews for this junior guy on one stupid feature, and so much of it has been so basic. It’s a combination of him committing ai slop without understanding or vetting it, and being too junior to consider maintainability or usability. It would have saved so much of my time if ai could have done some of those review cycles without me

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

This has been solved for over a decade. Include a linter and static analysis stage in the build pipeline. No code review until the checkbox goes green (or the developer has a specific argument for why a particular finding is a false positive)

[–] worldistracist@lemmy.cafe 5 points 23 hours ago

Great! Less productivity = more jobs, more work security.

[–] FancyPantsFIRE@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ve used cursor quite a bit recently in large part because it’s an organization wide push at my employer, so I’ve taken the opportunity to experiment.

My best analogy is that it’s like micro managing a hyper productive junior developer that somehow already “knows” how to do stuff in most languages and frameworks, but also completely lacks common sense, a concept of good practices, or a big picture view of what’s being accomplished. Which means a ton of course correction. I even had it spit out code attempting to hardcode credentials.

I can accomplish some things “faster” with it, but mostly in comparison to my professional reality: I rarely have the contiguous chunks of time I’d need to dedicate to properly ingest and do something entirely new to me. I save a significant amount of the onboarding, but lose a bunch of time navigating to a reasonable solution. Critically that navigation is more “interrupt” tolerant, and I get a lot of interrupts.

That said, this year’s crop of interns at work seem to be thin wrappers on top of LLMs and I worry about the future of critical thinking for society at large.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That said, this year’s crop of interns at work seem to be thin wrappers on top of LLMs and I worry about the future of critical thinking for society at large.

This is the must frustrating problem I have. With a few exceptions, LLM use seems to be inversely proportional to skill level, and having someone tell me "chatgpt said ___" when asking me for help because clearly chatgpt is not doing it for their problem makes me want to just hang up.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Just the other day I wasted 3 min trying to get AI to sort 8 lines alphabetically.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I had to sort over 100 lines of data hardcoded into source (don’t ask) and it was a quick function in my IDE.

I feel like “sort” is common enough everywhere that AI should quickly identify the right Google results, and it shouldn’t take 3 min

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