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Words matter.

Always use simple direct language.

  • Help the poor
  • Healthcare for everyone
  • Good treatment at work.

Don't use complex words.

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[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 18 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The timeline is this. The 1950s boomed and created the middle class. Why? FDR decided subsidizing the American people, instead of the robber Baron class, was the way. This subsidy approach to the working class had never happened before in American history.

A middle class cannot happen organically in a capitalist society. It requires government subsidy.

The 50s were built on the backs of women, forcibly ejecting them from workplaces to be housewives, and excluded people who were not white. But the American middle class was born due to these subsidies.

And so it went.

Then, in the 80s. The concept of the evil welfare queen was touted on the national level, and our government decided subsidizing corporate instead of a middle class was the way.

This doesn’t happen overnight, but they begin chipping away at subsidies for Middle Class America and flip those subsidies to corporate America. The belief is, or at least the sales pitch is, subsidizing corporate America is more fiscally efficient than subsidizing the middle class and will ultimately benefit everyone to create a booming, thriving nation.

And so it goes for 40 yrs. Both parties, in tandem.

The chipping away to go back to the subsidizing of a middle class started in the oddest of places. 2020. After the massive destruction of the middle class, and abject proof of how disastrous to the working class subsidizing corporate America is, absolutely squeezing everyone making less than $300k/yr, by the numbers, it was that old man’s admin that tried to shift back on the disaster. Infrastructure, junk fees, internet as an essential utility, student loan forgiveness, etc

The breadth of the problem cannot be fixed in 4 yrs. Or even 8 yrs. Consider how long it took from the 80s to truly feel the oppressive shift of the subsidy change. (I’m old. I mark ~2012-2014 when things started to feel squeezed.)

Also note that you can’t mention Reagan or trickle down economics in this or you lose people.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Could FDR have done what he did without what Theodire Roosevelt did? Teddy has his faults but I feel he built the groundwork that FDR could build on. Granted it had diminished between them, but he faught for the inheritance tax and income tax to become a thing rather than just Tariffs. Tariffs were what were used at the time and created the "Robber Barons" that the Heritage foundation is trying to re-establish.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This is not my area. I’ve simply consumed a lot of Heather Cox Richardson. She’s a Harvard educated American History professor. Posts on YT. Not very popular last check.

It’s calm, historical perspective which I rather enjoy.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I'll have to try to remember that, I'll bookmark her. Been trying to listen to ebooks and such when I lay down to sleep now, it actually has been helping me fall asleep much easier. Hardest part is remembering where you left off if you care about the books. I'll have to find one of those don't stop playing after the screen is off and see if I can listen to her as well. (Instead of laying there for an hour feeling like I'm not tired and fidgetting I just listen and I'm usually asleep in 30 minutes now). <Vast improvement

[–] Zirconium@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Smart audiobook reader has a sleep timer so does YouTube revanced

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Thanks I'll have to look into the audiobook one! Was trying to dodge YouTube, but I couldn't get any of those videos mentioned above to play in Tubular. I hadn't tried that app in a while, so maybe it's just the app and I'll find another

[–] Album@lemmy.ca 18 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Kinda like ACA/Obamacare.

I'm of the opinion Americans want help and want to help others, but get lost in political rhetoric and a culture war designed to ensure no one gets anything.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Our old babysitter lost her insurance and was suffering. Ex-wife suggested the ACA, showed her how to apply.

"Thank you so much! At least it isn't that damned Obamacare!"

These people exist, millions of them. And most Americans can't fucking read and understand a novel.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 hours ago

As an old friend of mine once had a habit of saying in a sing song voice:

Read a book, read a book, read a motherfucking book!

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Nah. A lot of people are stupid and selfish. You should look into the new evangelical mantra that “empathy is a sin”.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 16 points 14 hours ago

Having briefed a number of senior American bureaucrats and military officers I find it best to use:

  1. words of one syllable or less.
  2. no more than three primary colours.
  3. no numbers larger than 5.
[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 10 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Americans are one of the most gullible populations on Earth. Russians are worse...but Americans are not far behind.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Russians may actually be less gullible. Read an interesting article on the subject of Russian propaganda. They know it's bullshit, always have. The government lies, and that's life. Twist is, they view Western media as exactly the same level of propaganda.

tl;dr: Most Americans can't seem to apply critical thinking. Russians don't bother.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

People who knew the vietnam war was bullshit defected. There's a million dead russians who didn't know.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Ton of people in the usa still believe communism is the ultimate evil that justified vietnam war

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Lol! That's an interesting take. I've never thought of it like that...but it does fit.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Wish I could forward you the article, been a few years. Yeah, that woke me. Russians, of whom I am not a fan, aren't as dumb as they're made out. They're simply jaded as fuck.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Nah the usa is worse. Russia is a dictatorship, it is risky for your life and family to oppose putin

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Yes, we should all be highly critical of our governments, especially our politicians and the military (paid puppets of the oligarchy).

Building up an independent working-class movement should be our priority.

You should check out Kshama Sawant and Workers Strike Back.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 points 10 hours ago

“Death tax” energy.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago
[–] BeBopaLula@piefed.ca 4 points 13 hours ago

Meanwhile EU saying fuck all the disabled to appease a convicted rapist/felon. Sickening.

https://truthout.org/articles/europe-puts-social-programs-on-chopping-block-to-appease-trump-on-nato-funding/

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago

I'm a little bit concerned about the colors of each line on this graph.

I would hope this kind of study would be apolitical attempt to discover where we have agreement as opposed to disagreement. And if vernacular is the core difference let's not use color choices that could be interpreted as means something else.

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