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[–] mienshao@lemm.ee 242 points 1 week ago (11 children)

This is the final nail in the coffin of the Constitution. As a lawyer for the federal government, I need everyone to know that this officially marks the end of United States rule of law. Protect yourselves, and godspeed.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Billionaires and politicians. No one else matters. Don't be distracted by the broke Nazis at ICE. The true threat numbers in the hundreds.

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[–] WatDabney@fedia.io 140 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So literally what happened here is Trump said, "I want to violate the Constitution" and the Supreme Court said, " Okay — go ahead."

And that's it for the rule of law in the US.

All that's left now is to tally the mass murders along the way to the inevitable collapse of the US, and to hope that our descendents can build something better out of the rubble.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

That’s not literally what happened at all. Trump said, “I want to violate the constitution and issued an order”. Then states cities and organizations sued across three cases and courts issued universal injunctions. Trump said “wah! Help me puppet kourt!” Then the Supreme Court was like, “be still mein führer. We will not allow these injunctions to apply to the entire nation. Only to those who have sued.”

They gave him second base. Let’s see if they go all the way for Don Don.

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 116 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Lest we forget:

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Pretty hard to argue that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside” doesn’t mean what it clearly states. It’s not even in legalese. The fact that this wasn’t laughed out of court says everything.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 45 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That's what the Constitution says, and Trump now has nothing that can legally stop him from doing it.

Which means the Constitution is dead letter.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

They haven’t decided on the legality of it yet. They just decided that courts cannot issue universal injunctions. They can only stop it at a case by case level for those who are suing. If they decide it’s unconstitutional, then it’ll have to stop nationally, but a lot of damage can be done before then. I think they’ll decide in October…

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It is just a fucking piece of paper.

If the judges and politicians and police don't care and no one else can do anything then it means nothing.

It is this or bloody revolution and that would lead to the US being invaded by multiple other countries and shit getting worse and worse.

North Korea of America is where we are now.

[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Uggh. I can work out whether to upvote you for the accurate summary of the source of law & state power or downvote you for the utter idiocy of the invasion statement.

Russia can't - they're struggling to take over a country a fifth their size and have burnt through their Soviet stockpiles.

UK & EU certainly won't invade, at most they'd send a peacekeeping force to protect civilians at a UN request (UN probably wouldnt pass it)

Canada will be stretched just keeping fighting out of its borders.

Mexico might just on principle (payback's a bitch) but has bugger all capacity.

Same for South American Asian and African countries.

That leaves China, and if you think the Chinese are stupid enough to insert themselves in your civil war and create a sole enemy for both sides to fight you have zero understanding of the Chinese strategy.

The Chinese will wait for you all to decimate the country and each other, then come in and buy up the bits they want. Oh and invade Taiwan while y'all are busy destroying your country.

Putin's plan to destroy the US has worked magnificently.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It is this or bloody revolution and that would lead to the US being invaded by multiple other countries and shit getting worse and worse.

No other nations are going to be invading the US, let alone multiple of them. They don't have the logistics for it.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 74 points 1 week ago (8 children)

At what point does everyone say "if he's not following the law, then neither should we"?

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Guilty. I've stolen 2 elections already and dogwhistled so much

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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I'm ready if you are

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[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can Trump prove his citizenship, if this policy goes through?

[–] Zier@fedia.io 26 points 1 week ago

His 1st & current wife were not citizens when those children were born. They should be deported.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (12 children)

This title isn’t true. The court has not “given the OK”

[–] Infinite@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Right, they only said "nobody can stop you from doing illegal things."

Completely different.

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[–] uss_entrepreneur@startrek.website 28 points 1 week ago (6 children)

As much as I dislike the decision, they did not give the “ok”

The ruling was about how the lower courts handle injunctions. The court cases are playing out still.

I still hate the decision.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

Effectively, anyone who does not have a lawyer who files a specific suit in a very short period of time can be deported at will. Saying it does not end the 14th Amendment is an exercise in English language mechanics, not in how it ends up affecting the world.

If you are high school student who is shipped off to a foreign prison, how likely do you think it is somebody will fight to bring you back?

Bunch of pansies. All they had to do is say No

And would have been the end of it. But they are scared of him for w/e reason. Trump can't even remember Barrett.

[–] dugmeup@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They effectively did. They are Supreme Court justices, not idiots.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It doesn't sound like those two things are mutually exclusive.

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

This is fucking Stephen Miller's Nazi wet dream

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

this is insane

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I’d like to pay a reporter to ask Trump how it feels to wipe his ass with the Constitution. I’d think it would be coarse and unpleasant, but he keeps doing it.

Ill just stick with Charmin or whatever.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 9 points 1 week ago

Trump will then happily show his new line of merchandise. One is his "We The People" line of toilet paper. There's also his "Smooth Criminal" line, extra soft toilet paper with the entire criminal law printed on it.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The supreme court did not give the OK. They said that you have to sue individually or as a class action and kicked it back down to the lower court. And several orgs are currently petitioning for class action status.

Edit: they also said courts can't issue nationwide injunctions, they have to be narrower.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When talking about birthright citizenship, how do you get narrower than nationwide injunctions?

What the Republicans in the Supreme Court seem to be arguing is that the president can ignore the law as long as the people affected can't afford a lawsuit.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Iirc, the way it'll work out is if you're born in one of the 22 blue states with an order, you get to be a citizen. If you're born in a red state, though, you're fucked. It's a very strange issue to patchwork, though, even stranger than abortion.

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago

On his first day back in office, Trump signed an executive order federal agencies to refuse to recognize the citizenship of children born in the United States who do not have at least one parent who is an American citizen or lawful permanent resident, also called a "green card" holder.

So is this retroactive? Do states that are not challenging take effect in 30 days? Who the fuck knows. Make sure to do jack shit to stop all of this.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-may-rule-allowing-enforcement-trump-birthright-citizenship-2025-06-27/

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