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    Desktop PTSD (lemmy.zip)
    submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by sanderium@lemmy.zip to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    alt text: Scene of The Punisher where he is desperate having a nightmare, captioned "When a tiling window manager user has to use a MacOS/Windows desktop"

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    [–] MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    The Windows file explorer is so goddamned inefficient it's astounding. For example if you have a directory open and you need to open a second window with the parent directory and put it right next to the current one, it takes less than 2 seconds to set that up with Nemo and it could probably be faster if I actually used a tiling window manager.

    The same situation, I timed it, takes TWELVE (12) seconds to accomplish in Windows 10, even with a dedicated gaming gpu and drivers which avoids all the stupid lag when managing open windows and clicking on stuff. How the FUCK do people effectively do ANYTHING on windows involving files? It's mind boggling to think Windows is the preferred OS for game development, a process where you do this type of thing CONSTANTLY. Fuck.

    Does Microsoft even do their own software development on Windows? Even a well-tuned Linux file manager is still reasonably difficult and mentally taxing when you have to do a lot of file management with ADHD but Windows is on an entire different plane of shittiness.

    [–] sanderium@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

    I feel you man

    [–] Sidhean@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago

    Using Windows feels like wading through mud. eeeuch

    [–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    The real crime is how MacOS window animations take forever and don't switch input focus immediately.

    [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Maybe I’m weird, but I prefer the animations. It feels more natural than things just popping into my view in my opinion.

    [–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

    I don't take issue with the animations per se. They could be faster and transfer input immediately, and I would take no issue.

    [–] sanderium@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

    That is true, animations can make your brain understand that something changed position faster than if they teleported.

    [–] dukatos@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago

    And if you disable animations, you still have to wait for focus. But the worst behavior is when you minimize a window and later cmd+tab to it and all windows just lose focus.

    [–] maxwells_daemon@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

    Wdym mouse? Might as well give me a touchscreen...

    [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

    Mac has an absence of window management. it's like the product owner stopped thinking halfway through the desktop experience and handed it over to the intern.

    when demo day came the PO saw it and was shocked at how horrible it was but had to sell it to save their own ass.

    they opened the whole demo with, "I want you to think about this experience and stop, then...think differently."

    [–] Bonje@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Aerospace or yabai

    [–] sanderium@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I should add that Aerospace release update to my wm community aswell

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    [–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I’ve been working on my own macOS tiling window manager inspired by Gtile for gnome. I’ll probably put it on github at some point.

    [–] mnkhprre@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

    Take a look the yabai it has a lot useful stuff

    [–] sanderium@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

    That is dope man!

    [–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I don't use Windows anymore but Microsoft Powertoys exist. And I have no clue why they don't ship it with Windows by default...

    [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Because like most things made for power users: it confuses and terrifies regular users.

    Seriously, even with something as simple as Fancy Zones, regular users would get frustrated when they move a window while accidentally or purposely holding shift and their window reshapes itself.

    [–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 1 points 5 days ago

    No one is "terrified" by programs and how exactly powertoys installed/integrated into OS will confuse anyone? You aren't obligated to use it.

    [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

    It's always my first install after Firefox.

    [–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Installed komorebi + altdrag + autohotkey + fluent search on my work windows, janky af but "works"

    [–] Beacon@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    There are tiling window managers for win and mac too, so i don't think this meme makes sense

    [–] sudo@programming.dev 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    "Window Managers" don't exist on windows and mac. There's third party programs that re-position your windows. But you can't replace the window manager for these OSs. AFAIK they don't have a concept of a window manager. Its all one seemless desktop experience.

    Love to be proven wrong or at least shown an adequate alternate. Because pic is me in a few weeks. Goodbye slack, google, and zoom. Hello M$ TEAMS.

    [–] Beacon@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I'm not clear on what the distinction is that you're referring to. How are the Linux window managers different than the win/mac ones?

    [–] muix@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

    Window managers in Linux take direct command from the display server (Xorg, Wayland, etc.) to decide where to position windows and what they should look like. Whereas "window managers" on MacOS/Windows are tricking the original window manager provided by the OS into positioning windows a certain way. I'm simplifying here, but hope that clears things up.

    [–] Beacon@fedia.io 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Thanks for the info, but what is the functional difference to the end user?

    [–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago

    They're limited by what the original window manager allows them to do. Sway has its whole own window manager, so it can do whatever it wants.

    [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -1 points 6 days ago

    You mean like Windows registry which determines how the windows need to be managed, just like almost every other program running on Windows?

    Your explanation still doesn't differentiate.

    Or do you claim Linux calls home to some rando server to get the information on how a window should be displayed? Because that doesn't seem like a great feature at all.

    [–] sudo@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Window_manager

    • Stacking (aka floating) window managers provide the traditional desktop metaphor used in commercial operating systems like Windows and macOS. Windows act like pieces of paper on a desk, and can be stacked on top of each other. For available Arch Wiki pages see Category:Stacking window managers.
    • Tiling window managers "tile" the windows so that none are overlapping. They usually make very extensive use of key-bindings and have less (or no) reliance on the mouse. Tiling window managers may be manual, offer predefined layouts, or both. For available Arch Wiki pages see Category:Tiling window managers.
    • Dynamic window managers can dynamically switch between tiling or floating window layout. For available Arch Wiki pages see Category:Dynamic window managers.

    Mac and Windows window managers aren't different from Linux window managers. (Other than being difficult or impossible to replace). What you are calling "window managers" are software that reposition the windows after the actual window manager has positioned it.

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    [–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

    Most people forced to use those likely wouldn't have time/permission to install them.

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    [–] sudo@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago

    This me. Gonna set up RDP and just remote in from my desktop. I'd rather find a new job than be that unproductive.

    [–] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 6 points 1 week ago (15 children)

    Okay give me the short and simple. What window manager should I try. I'm using an off shoot of Fedora.

    [–] foxido@social.cutie.team 6 points 6 days ago

    Hyprland is awesome. Simple config + good out of the box experience

    But for almost all tiling managers I recommend you steal your first config from r/unixporn and then just adapt it

    @POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com @sanderium@lemmy.zip

    [–] crabonhead@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

    I quite like Hyprland

    [–] scytale@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

    Openbox. Simple and efficient.

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    [–] Ooops@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

    As much as I despise Windows while also using archlinux/i3-wm as my daily driver...

    Tiling is no rocket science. Basically every stacking window manager including Windows can do it well enough to be usable with just a few properly configured defaults and short-keys.

    [–] 30p87@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

    It honestly feels like an alien device to me... wdym, firefox-nightly isn't just in WS 3, reachable by pressing Super + 3, but somewhere in that list in of Alt + Tab and I have to search that shit?

    [–] traches@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

    It’s true, I’m completely broken. I can’t even use a stacking window manager on Linux, I’m instantly pissed off

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