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Previously, a yield strength of 5,000 pounds per square inch (psi) was enough for concrete to be rated as “high strength,” with the best going up to 10,000 psi. The new UHPC can withstand 40,000 psi or more.

The greater strength is achieved by turning concrete into a composite material with the addition of steel or other fibers. These fibers hold the concrete together and prevent cracks from spreading throughout it, negating the brittleness. “Instead of getting a few large cracks in a concrete panel, you get lots of smaller cracks,” says Barnett. “The fibers give it more fracture energy.”

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[–] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 212 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Holy nothing burger, Batman!

First off, this article is from 2022, re-released to farm clicks from the current hype cycle.

Secondly, this is conjecture on top of conjecture. They discuss that we can't know the current damage from satellite, and Iran down plays the damage. Then they go on to say "concrete is strong and can be stronger".

Articles like this annoy me. It's all based on lots of unsubstantiated claims, and then one guy's theoretical research. We don't know the strength of the bombs. We don't know the strength of Iran's bunkers. We don't know how much damage was done. None of this has changed. I doubt we'll ever really know. But throw whatever political spin on it you want, and now you've got a click worthy news article.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There's also the fact that the majority of Iran's nuclear facilities were built before UHPC, the concrete discussed in the article, was available!

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago

In the late 2000s, for instance, rumors circulated about a bunker in Iran struck by a bunker-buster bomb. The bomb had failed to penetrate—and remained embedded in—the surface of the bunker, presumably until the occupants called in a bomb-disposal team. Rather than smashing through the concrete, the bomb had been unexpectedly stopped dead. The reason was not hard to guess: Iran was a leader in the new technology of Ultra High Performance Concrete, or UHPC, and its latest concrete advancements were evidently too much for standard bunker busters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordow_Fuel_Enrichment_Plant

Construction on the facility started in 2006, but the existence of the enrichment plant was only disclosed to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) by Iran on 21 September 2009,[6][7] after the site became known to Western intelligence services. Western officials strongly condemned Iran for not disclosing the site earlier;

Seems to fall into the same timeframe.

[–] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I was suspicious of that as well, but I'm not knowledgeable enough on that subject to speak on it, so didn't include it. But I doubt any country can build that extensive of a nuclear factory in so few years.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 62 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds to me like someone is trying to justify actually using a tactical, atomic bunker buster.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago (14 children)

tactical

Lol, they're gonna do the strategic one next

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I suspect the world would be safer if everyone just let Trump think he won.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

That's impossible. "Make America Great Again" is a slogan that he can only abuse as long as there are problems. If he wants to stay in power it's in his best interest to create problems. It's what fascists dictators have been doing since forever. Even if there are no problems they will point towards something and make you think it is a problem, so they can market themselves as the solution. If he would "win" he would lose his power, which is obviously the opposite of what somebody like Trump wants.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That concrete really isn't new and really isn't that special. There's a reason they built it under a mountain - because the mountain does what concrete can't.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago

It is not that it can do what concrete cannot. It is just that digging a tunnel under a mountain is much easier than making a mountain out of concrete.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 37 points 1 week ago (6 children)
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (12 children)

And no bomb is irresistible.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's why we need the Orbital Ion Cannon.

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

I did NOD see that coming.

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Except copeium.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 37 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Giving the yield strength in psi is the most pointless thing ever. Every single engineer would use metric Pa so its clearly a conversion for the average american idiot but the average American idiot has no idea what yield strength is.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 22 points 1 week ago

We dropped a big boom worth 120000 hamburgers and the explosion was many football fields big. Salute to the brave troops.

[–] PolydoreSmith@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your comment is informative but now all I can hear in my head is Green Day’s “American Idiot”.

[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sorry bud, you're straight up wrong. Aerospace and defense in the US very much still uses the inch-pound-second system of units.

I'm not a concrete guy, but I know that metals and composites have material properties certified for use in civil and commercial aviation are given in psi in MMPDS and CMH-17. I would be willing to bet that concrete specifications in the US are no different.

I could keep going. Our bolts are specified in ultimate tensile strength by psi. Structural steel standards use minimum yield strengths in psi. There is literally a type of steel called A36 because its minimum required yield strength is 36,000 psi.

[–] Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 1 week ago

Yeah psi is a pretty common unit and trivial to swap between if SI is needed.

Arguments like above often show a lack of real world experience.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I prefer my mechanical stress calculations in millidynes per square kiloparsec thank you very much.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (6 children)

From this article it sounds very likely that the bunker buster attack failed.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And I read that the US used more than half of its stock of these bunker-buster bombs in this attack, the largest conventional bunker-busters in existence. So they can't simply try again.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

By your math, they absolutely can simply try again: one more time.

By my math, the bunker-buster bomb makers just got a big new contract.

something something DOGE of WAR something...

[–] match@pawb.social 12 points 1 week ago

They can try one more time but worse

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I mean they usually only do about 30 damage anyways.

Source

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 9 points 1 week ago

My guess: that bunker buster attack was twice as successful as the missile attack on the the airfield in Qatar.

2 x 0 = 0.

Now accepting bets on when we will find out that Trump had a secret call with Ali Khamenei where they negotiated the whole thing ahead of time, thus explaining the movement of the Uranium out of the facility, the movement of our servicemen out of the airbase, etc. etc.

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The article is 3 years old

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[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

Why? The kinds of UHPC being discussed in the article weren't available even in the United States until the year 2000 but most of Iran's nuclear facilities were built between 1974 and 2005. Even their primary enrichment facility in Fordow, which was struck with MOPs, was started no earlier than the mid-2000s as it was still unfinished in 2009.

Basically the majority of Iran's facilities, even their major ones, are too old to have the kind of concrete being discussed in the article.

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[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Impressive.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 18 points 1 week ago

"no, these missiles only bust the bunkers we tested them on."

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Basically they used pyramid age tech to outplay billions of dollars worth of weapons tech.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Hardly. Did you read the article?

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The greater strength is achieved by turning concrete into a composite material with the addition of steel or other fibers.

Fiber reinforcment is thousands of years old.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Calling that pyramid age I think is a little disingenuous, they didn’t have 40,000 psi concrete back in those days.

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[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So I did not read the article because of a paywall I'm too lazy to circumvent right now

But from OP's summary, the main technology they're talking about is concrete reinforced with steel or other fibers.

And that's definitely more advanced than "pyramid age"

But it's also pretty much a direct descendant of mud brick reinforced with straw which humanity has been using since well before the pyramids. Same basic concept, different materials.

So yes and no.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

They mean mixing in steel dust or nylon hair?

Hard to believe this is a recent enough thought.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 19 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I doubt it's a recent thought, knowing civil engineers, they're absolute perverts when it comes to concrete.

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