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[–] ddplf@szmer.info 133 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Sure, everyone hates oligarchs. But oligarchs are up there and out of reach, and they are strong enough to retaliate. Instead, you also got these minorities, they're right here in the punching distance and they even may not hit you back.

This is it, this is how the billionaires make Joes fight other Joes and not the rich. This is why we have the cultural war and not the class war.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A united public could easily oust the oligarchs and put them where they belong (the guillotines). But that requires large-scale public co-operation and putting aside differences, something the American public is wholly incapable of. I don't think it would be that hard if that was required in Europe.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 30 points 1 week ago

We do have oligarchs in Europe, they're just not celebrities like their American counterparts. And very few of them are the actual billionaires.

That being said, they seem to keep low profile, maybe they really did learn the hard lesson from the European history.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Even in Europe when things would get bad enough for the people to put aside their differences and kill the ruling class, the differences tend to re-assert themselves once the common enemy is gone. That's where things go south. Cutting heads off is like eating potato chips. You can't just stop once you've started. Eventually you're pulling crumbs out of the bottom of the bag.

If it gets bad enough for the American people to unite to kill the oppressors, the oppressors will definitely have a bad time, but you better be ready for one hell of a rough ride after.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

which is worse, the oligarchy (french monarchy) or the aftermath - robespierre / reign of terror etc?

I'd say france, after, even with the horrors of the transition is worth it.

we killed and forced our british royal oppressors once. so... perhaps... but it's awfully hard to rebuild things once wrecked.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

Honestly, there is going to be a rough ride either way. Might as well make it useful.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you. So many people lately that think there's some magic "fix everything" button hidden in the neck of whatever top asshole is in power.

Doesn't take too deep a look at revolutions the world over to see that isn't the case.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Don't get me wrong, I think we're at the point where it may be the only way out. It's just nothing to look forward to, and suggesting Europe "does it better" isn't comforting.

Cutting heads off is like eating potato chips. You can’t just stop once you’ve started.

I'm worried about the very same thing. I have just yesterday read about the actual French Revolution and the Reign Of Terror that followed short after simply because - guess what - the revolutionaries couldn't stop killing people, for some reason.

It in fact even went to absurd extents, where they ended up killing other revolutionaries and eventually they themselves got guillotined themselves.

I think the lesson to learn here is to take the oligarch's wealth, but not kill them. In other words: "Tax the Rich", not "Eat the Rich".

We’re not incapable, it’s just been thoroughly trained out of us. My dog doesn’t bite but he still has teeth.

[–] swemg@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A real general strike could work

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

*would definitely

There, much better :)

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Only until the technology exists to replace workers with AI and physical robots.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 1 week ago

Not that it really matters but replacing humans with machines has been done for all of the industrialized age on some level or another.

Therefore one doesnt need to worry about that. We rather need to take back the products of our labour. And later, we must demand equal distribution of wealth if work ever became obsolete, which isnt gonna happen imo.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not going to happen in this lifetime.

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok, say we have a class war now, are you willing to fight alongside working class racists, transphobes, homophobes, misogynists, etc?

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 2 points 1 week ago

Who do you think taught these people these values?

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 1 week ago

Thank you, comrade. Brillantly put.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 48 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This supports my hypothesis that people are mostly emotional. They're angry and scared so they lash out. They're not thinking in a calm detached manner.

Somehow we need to direct all the negative emotions towards the people who actually deserve it

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's mainly an issue in the US. And Americans are not taught how to handle emotions or think critically.

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What is exactly an American issue? Because all the issues here are not exclusive to the US, they're pervasive all over Europe, and as far as I know (second hand), the rest of the world as well.

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Post-national wealth is the thing they're distracting us from. They're more powerful than countries. They've basically bought the worlds superpowers. The axis of power is not nations anymore but collectives of oligarchs. As it stands it's apparently the Russia, China, and America regions with billionaires toying the world like a board game.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

France used to use pitchforks and guillotine for that.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 6 points 1 week ago

In fact, not people actually deserve it. We live in a perverted system that needs inequality. We need to direct our power against said system.

It has been done successfully countless times in history. Just start reading non capitalist sources and be prepared to cry a lot.

If we all do it, there will be no capitalist states left to destroy better solutions.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, it's a different Dana White

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Oooh ok, I was surprised and confused for a second.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is Dana white fuckin dudes now?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Well he laid out pretty clearly why we shouldn't care

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

Fuck away my man! Well said. Well not man, just..you know what I mean. Everyone should enjoy life in this country so long as it doesn't bother others. That's the whole thing expressed in "the pursuit of happiness". That's why we're all here, just trying to be as happy as we can be.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago
[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

They're cucks. They want daddy dump to bend them over

[–] Angelusz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Very triggering posts to the Americans, indeed. If anyone is so close to death that they seek wisdom of that of an Angel, do feel free to message me.

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