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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31683994

Fox News reports that Donald Trump may consider using nuclear weapons to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility

The U.S. military has reservations regarding the success of using a bunker-buster bomb, a non nuclear weapon, to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility, buried deep in a mountain. Two defense officials were reportedly briefed that only a tactical nuclear weapon could reach the facility.

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 150 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Trump will drop a nuke before leaving office. He been begging to use one since his first term. They literally had to stop him from nucking a hurricane. He wants to do it. My worry is he will drop one on an American state.

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 94 points 11 months ago

I agree with you completely. He's fascinated with nukes, and believes naked demonstrations of power show that he's strong. If he does drop a nuke in Iran, you can guarantee that Russia will use them in Ukraine, and that quickly opens the door to a much wider war in Europe. Strategic thinking is not Trump's strong suit, and he's likely to bumble us into a nuclear WWIII.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I fully expect him to nuke a blue state in a false flag attack. I can't prove it, but I won't be surprised if he does

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You might enjoy the short run of the TV show Jericho.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

If you can’t prove it, then they are doing the false flag operation right. Well; correctly, anyway.

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[–] MumboJumbo@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

My worry is he will drop one on an American state.

Wouldn't be the first time, but those were on accident and thankfully didn't detonate.

Edit to add reference: 1961 Goldsboro B-52 Crash

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean we also blew up a lot of nukes on American soil on purpose too!

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

New Mexico had it coming tho.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

Nevada doesn't even own most of Nevada.

[–] MumboJumbo@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For science!…or something

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[–] earlgrey0@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Don’t worry, Los Angeles isn’t a state :p

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (11 children)

WHO GETS THE NUKE FIRST? IRAN, GAZA OR THE FIRST HURRICANE OF THE SEASON! sadtimes.

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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago

Same guy that kept ripping on Zelensky for "instigating" nuclear war

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If this were to happen, it would be a green light for Putin.

Let's hope to all fuck that our idiotic congress or who the fuck ever, prevents this abject, fucking, idiocy.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Congress isn't stopping him doing anything. I don't see them suddenly changing just to prevent global nuclear war.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 11 months ago

Congress’ billionaire handlers all have their doomsday prepping done, so they won’t interfere.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Something tells me he has already given the order multiple times but the people around him have to carefully explain to him why that’s a very bad idea until he backs down.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Or they're just running clips of Oppenheimer for him

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"We want to stop nuclear proliferation by starting a nuclear war." - these fucking geniuses, apparently

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Then I hope the rest of the world does something about it.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

“Art of the Deal”. Always start “negotiations” with a threat to go nuclear, then brag and posture and bully. Deal

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You forgot the part where you Chicken out and go back on everything so you lose on both sides... No one ever sees it coming

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure Jesus Christ would definitely 100% want this.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Jesus was a Palestinian Jew, if Trump met Him today he would send Him to CECOT.

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[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago (9 children)

What a great precedent that would set. Seems like humans are moving towards ending all life on earth. Just another dead rock in an infinite vacuum.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What is a country? A miserable pile of war crimes.

Turning a habitable area full of innocent people into a pile of radioactive rubble and dying people why? Because fucking the Israeli government wants to genocide palestinians without resistance? Damn we fucking suck as a country

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (5 children)

So we'll have a war of aggression with Iran for? We don't like them? Israel has committed more violations of national borders and laws. The KoSA and Egypt's citizens were involved in 9-11 and they are "allies".

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If any other country did the things Israel has done, we'd be sanctioning them at a minimum. We invaded Iraq both times for less.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hell we made up lies about Iraq

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[–] LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Ah yes, very smart, let's use a nuke to blow up a nuclear facility. There couldn't possibly be a much larger explosion and spread of radiation because of that.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Explosion no. Extra fallout, maybe. But the facility we're talking about is deep underground, so even if it happens, hopefully that contains some of the fallout.

[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, ground burst or partial underground bursts are significantly dirtier than air bursts. You only get partial completion of the reaction on the parts closer to the ground or underground which further irradiates the debris that is kicked up. Its all kinds of bad news.

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, there actually wouldn't be a much larger explosion, that's just not how nukes work.
A nuclear explosion is an incredibly delicate process, and the material just won't go critical because there's another detonation nearby. It's not like dropping a bomb on a dynamite warehouse. There's not a great analogy for what it is like though. Expecting a satellite launch to happen because you blew up a tank of rocket fuel next to it? Not quite there.

Additional contamination from onsite material is a different matter. Most nukes detonate above their target since that maximizes damage, but it also reduces fallout. There would, however, be vaporized material that would be sucked into the air by the vacuum created by the detonation. It's not clear if the presence of radioactive material would make it significantly worse than the general "radioactive dust and molten sand" that would normally be sent into the air.

In general, if you nuke something there's going to be radioactive issues afterwards, and you shouldn't do it. Adding a nuclear facility to the mix is kinda just throwing rocks at the windows on 9/11.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago

Sounds like science stuff and facts. MAGA doesn't have any time for those.

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[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

He is going to back pedal because Iran is his boss's (Putin ) ally. He is once again talking shit he has no intention of backing up. I could see him ordering a nin-nuke strike on something that wouldn't get him in trouble with his handler though as a fake tough man move.

[–] thru_dangers_untold@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He floats the craziest idea so that whatever happens he can say "at least I didn't do that one thing" and his base will praise him for it--even though the thing he actually did was still moronic. This is the "permanent 300% tariff", "Canada will be the 51st state", or the "Golden Trump Gaza" video. It's the only way this imbecile knows how to negotiate.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

The headline is a reading into it a bit. They said nothing is off the table, but they are confident that a conventional strike would accomplish the goal.

Not that a strike would happen anyway, but they rarely say that any option is completely off the table. A nuclear first strike should be one of those options off the table, but it's the Trump administration we're talking about.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

At this point I’m alright with a nuclear apocalypse, we had it coming. I just hope I’m close enough to a blast sight to not have to deal with the aftermath.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Gleefully sounding the trumpet for the end of the world

Can somebody please please stop him before he kills us all?

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[–] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 11 months ago

What the actual hell.

[–] 474D@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Welp, time to see if aliens really are keeping us from extinction

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[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 10 points 11 months ago

MADness.

Hopefully someone drops him beforehand.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Worse president than Putin, worse people than Russians considering the power the people ~~have~~ had and the person they allow to do this.

[–] catty@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"Considers". Fake news. They want the price of oil and gas to go up to please Putin.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 9 points 11 months ago

OK, who had "The opening from Threads but in 4K" on their bingo card?

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 8 points 11 months ago

Just please wait until after I've seen Dune Messiah a couple dozen times in theaters. Please. That's all I'm asking. I don't even need to get laid again, that ship isnt even that important and it happens to a lot of people every day. I just want to see Dune Messiah before we all die.

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