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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 5 points 6 hours ago

What's with these weird imaginary articles? The media has talked enough about their nukes, western youtube is filled with documentaries and western wiki has detailed info on vela incident and other related information, not even talking about the fact that I, a westerner, learned about Israel's nukes from western media. Idiocy.

As an example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)
  • racism
  • white supremacy
  • imperialism
  • judeo-christian values
  • western civilization
  • only democracy in the middle east

take your pick

Israel violates international laws and has been since 1948, invades its neighbours and commits genocide, and western media still portrays it as a victim.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

being persecuted for decades/centuries priors helps shield them from any criticism, because they can claim anti-semitism every time.

[–] SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 27 minutes ago

The persecution isn't even theirs. Sure they'd likely have relatives affected by the Holocaust of WW2, but these are the the Jewish people who were rich enough to escape it. Actual Holocaust of WW2 survivors live under the poverty line in Isn'treal.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 4 points 6 hours ago

I'll throw post WW2 apologetics into the ring. Can't blame Israel publicly without risking career suicide, both in politics and corporate.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Pretty simple. Currently not all nations have nukes, out of those who have, a few have enough to completely destroy a rival nation. This means that the nations with the big nuke stocks are the ones calling the shots as to who should have nukes and how much. Iran being mostly against the US is not allowed nukes, Israel being mostly a US ally is allowed nukes.

This is the unpolitical explanation.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

we really should have some deal to allow Iran to have access to nuclear power under supervision

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago

trump departed from that agreement.

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 9 points 10 hours ago

We used to have that, Trump 45 ripped it up.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 hours ago

The world ends because a bunch of elderly white dudes want to measure dicks. Yay!

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 23 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Iran needs nukes to defend itself from a nuclear armed aggressor. Everyone needs nukes for that reason. Greenland needs nukes to protect itself from the US.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 hours ago

Yeah after ukraine, i don't think anyobe else will ever make that mistake again.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

with extinction technology, i don't know what the answer is. i think you either need a high level of trust and cooperation between all wielding parties which never goes away, or you need a singular world government which has no reason to arm itself with such a thing.

the stalemate situation where all enemies have a gun to point at one another so that nobody fires a shot is crazy. that can't be the solution.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 19 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

We should welcome an Iranian bomb. Honestly, it's what the Middle East really needs to bring it to stability.

The biggest destabilizing force in the Middle East is Israel. They're a destabilizing force because they're an expansionist nuclear-armed power with no hard borders. Their borders aren't actually fixed; they're in a decades-long process to slowly expand them. For those who forget, Israel's MO is to:

  1. Destabilize border regions of neighboring countries and foster the creation of militant groups within them.
  2. Use those destabilized regions as justification for military occupation of the territory of neighboring countries.
  3. Announce the creation of border "buffer zones."
  4. Allow their civilians to move into what is supposed to be a DMZ-like buffer zone.
  5. Again have civilians in the line of fire of militants, demanding further border expansion.

Israel has been expanding like this for decades, and there's no end in site. Their immediate neighbors are all to weak and destabilized to resist this process of slow Israeli lebensraum. The people in the Middle East are rightly afraid that they'll be next under the Israeli boot, and they'll find themselves reduced to the plight of the Gazans.

Israel is out of control. It's an expansionist military power hellbent on gobbling up its neighbors. The reason they're able to get away with this is because they have nuclear weapons. No Arab nation can invade them without the threat of being nuked in return. Israel uses its nuclear arsenal to conquer its neighbors.

Another nuclear power is desperately needed in the region to hold them in check. A nuclear Iran would serve this role well. They wouldn't be able to wipe Israel off the map, as that would result in them getting nuked in return. What a nuclear-armed Iran can do is to finally put a check on Israel's endless military expansion. We need powers that can stand up to the Israelis as equals and say, "no. Your borders are fucking big enough. You're not taking one more square meter of land."

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

As much as I agree that Israel is a destabilizing force and that you have their MO fairly spot on, Israel doesn't seem to be using its nuclear arsenal as a deterrent for invasion. They don't have to, they have significant conventional forces with US backing, making invasion nigh-impossible anyway. That's how it went in the past at least with the various regional wars.

I'm not sure an Iranian bomb would stabilize much if anything. Israel sees it as a direct existential threat and will stop at nothing to prevent or disable such a weapon. Iran has also repeatedly threatened to use it on Israel offensively, which doesn't really bode well for peace either. Suppose Iran does lob a bomb at Israel, how would they respond? Or what if Israel strikes first? I don't trust either party to be reasonable and responsible here tbh.

Iran can't use the weapon to threaten Israel as you say, because it'd be an empty threat. Iran can't nuke Israel without getting nuked right back. Israel knows this, so they can continue their expansions just fine.

MAD doctrine prevents nuclear wars from breaking out, but as we have been seeing recently it doesn't prevent conventional wars.

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In an oligarchy, corporate media is state media.

[–] CtrlAltDefeat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone's got them but nobody uses them. So do they really need them or just need to convince other countries that they have them.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

not every country has a nuclear arsenal

[–] CtrlAltDefeat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Why not? Everyone should keep a nuke in their basement just in case

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

It's my uhh hunting tactical nuke. I use it when I need to blast 40-60 wild hogs in 5 milliseconds

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Just gotta dig up grandpa's old Atomic Energy Lab play set and experiment a bit.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 23 hours ago

because they’re trying to manufacture consent for a war with Iran

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

MSM has talked about Israel's nukes. Can't remember which channel it was, but yesterday they were doing a comparison between Israel's and Iran's offense & defense capabilities.

[–] maccentric@sh.itjust.works 9 points 19 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

mainstream media, basically all news on networks.

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

mainstream media?

e.g. all of them

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